Ukraine Losses (Allegedly)

[JamesWales]

Re: Ukraine Losses (Allegedly)

I think Putin wanted to occupy all of Ukraine but only to install a different govt to act as a buffer against the west. A bit like Belarus. He probably would have wanted to (and still wants to) absorb parts of eastern Ukraine into Russia, which there is a linguistic reasoning for if nothing else.

God knows what will happen now. Real stalemate situation but that can't last forever

[TWGL1]

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What are the main points so the bemused of this thread are clear?

It’s been obvious for a while that every post you contribute to displays a conformation bias , therefore , you’re wasting mine (and your own) time. It’s pointless debating with you.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Ukraine Losses (Allegedly)

I think Putin wanted to occupy all of Ukraine but only to install a different govt to act as a buffer against the west. A bit like Belarus. He probably would have wanted to (and still wants to) absorb parts of eastern Ukraine into Russia, which there is a linguistic reasoning for if nothing else.

God knows what will happen now. Real stalemate situation but that can't last forever

A lot of Ukranians whose first language is Russian and who lived in what are now cities destroyed by the Russians won't necessaily appreciate the concept of 'linguistic reasoning'.

[JamesWales]

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A lot of Ukranians whose first language is Russian and who lived in what are now cities destroyed by the Russians won't necessaily appreciate the concept of 'linguistic reasoning'.

Of course not. The entire war is entirely unjustifiable on every level. However, I thought we were considering Putin's actions and reasoning? In which case, it is a fact that much of eastern Ukraine is Russian speaking and the protection of said population is a reasoning that Putin would use. I don't think he would ever have sought to occupy the entirety of Ukraine

[cyril evans awaydays]

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It’s been obvious for a while that every post you contribute to displays a conformation bias , therefore , you’re wasting mine (and your own) time. It’s pointless debating with you.

I guess we have reached the point in the thread where anyone wanting to know what you think the non-confirmation bias main points are needs to send you a pm to find out!

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Of course not. The entire war is entirely unjustifiable on every level. However, I thought we were considering Putin's actions and reasoning? In which case, it is a fact that much of eastern Ukraine is Russian speaking and the protection of said population is a reasoning that Putin would use. I don't think he would ever have sought to occupy the entirety of Ukraine

I don't agree. Putin sees Belarus, Ukraine and Russia as an historic entity built on the history of shared Rus culture. Kyiv/Kiev is predominantly a Ukranian-speaking city but was regarded as the cultural capital of that entity way before Moscow came to prominence.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I don't agree. Putin sees Belarus, Ukraine and Russia as an historic entity built on the history of shared Rus culture. Kyiv/Kiev is predominantly a Ukranian-speaking city but was regarded as the cultural capital of that entity way before Moscow came to prominence.

And I'm sure that he would not have wanted a pro-western rump of Western Ukraine between Russian-occupied Ukraine and Transnistria.

[jon1959]

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Not everyone has lost through the Ukraine war:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/14/hedge-funds-profit-ukraine-war-food-price-surge

Hedge funds have emerged as some of the biggest winners from the global food price spike that followed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, with the world’s 10 biggest hedge funds alone making profits estimated at nearly $2bn.

[JamesWales]

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Not everyone has lost through the Ukraine war:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/14/hedge-funds-profit-ukraine-war-food-price-surge

Hedge funds have emerged as some of the biggest winners from the global food price spike that followed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, with the world’s 10 biggest hedge funds alone making profits estimated at nearly $2bn.

Those bastards always win.

[Wales-Bales]

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Not everyone has lost through the Ukraine war:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/14/hedge-funds-profit-ukraine-war-food-price-surge

Hedge funds have emerged as some of the biggest winners from the global food price spike that followed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, with the world’s 10 biggest hedge funds alone making profits estimated at nearly $2bn.

In case you didn't notice, the past 3 years has seen a huge transfer of wealth upwards, and they haven't even finished yet!

[MOZZER2]

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In case you didn't notice, the past 3 years has seen a huge transfer of wealth upwards, and they haven't even finished yet!

this

whilst the CBDC will save us useless eaters !

[Wales-Bales]

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this

whilst the CBDC will save us useless eaters !

The gutting of the middle classes, but I did not care because I wasn't middle class

[jon1959]

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In case you didn't notice, the past 3 years has seen a huge transfer of wealth upwards, and they haven't even finished yet!

Yes I i noticed. I expect most active posters on this board noticed. The Old World Order is enriching itself at an exponential rate.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/richest-1-bag-nearly-twice-much-wealth-rest-world-put-together-over-past-two-years

Meanwhile some people have a mission to distract us from that fact with culture wars, woke angst and dumb conspiracy theories!

[Wales-Bales]

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Yes I i noticed. I expect most active posters on this board noticed. The Old World Order is enriching itself at an exponential rate.

Some people call it a great reset of sorts.

[MOZZER2]

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Some people call it a great reset of sorts.

George Carlin nails it here

“They own everything…They don’t care about you…They got you by the balls.”

~ George Carlin

He nailed it. This is absolutely one of the greatest social and political commentaries of the modern era.

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— James Melville (@JamesMelville) April 10, 2023