The Budget

[the other bob wilson]

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Maybe, though I would say my comment was made with a touch of humour/irony, whereas yours came across as rather smug and supercilious.

Why? Are you seriously saying that you do not know beforehand what many of the posters on here are likely to say if they’re commenting on things like politics and Covid? It’s just as easy to predict what’s coming from from people on either side of the argument as soon as you see who has posted a message, that’s why I said that people are, increasingly it seems, defined by their politics.

To use myself as an example, when was the last time I said something on politics which surprised you?

[surge]

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I was sure this thread was going to end when Sludge responded to everyone (including themselves) five times in a row but we're still going....

Nice to know that a socially liberal prime minister/government is one who makes it illegal for most adults (those not living together) to have sex for a year. Maybe this government is, this far, more center on economic scale compared to May and Cameron but socially more right wing?

P.s. I do enjoy seeing first post and where a thread has ended up on the last couple of pages. Who had Boris being accused of banning adults having sex in their prediction?

[Baloo]

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I think quoting family members and personal experience, is useful because it is the reality that shapes us and our opinions, for example, you have used stats to tell me that, my intuitions about the NHS staff are actually statistically incorrect, fair enough.

But your same statistics told us, that Bridged was a Labour stronghold, that Boris would not win by a large majority and that Remain would win the Brexit vote.

So when people act shocked and surprised that a Welsh working class town like Bridgend, would turn blue and vote leave and ask how did it happen, And I turn around and say well actually I know these people I work with them day to day in the NHS and while it may be surprising to you they are doctors and nurses.
and my family and friends who live in Bridgend have been telling me this for months before the election...
So while it is possible that my perceptions are off and I am in a echo chamber, but then how have my personal observations been proved correct and the stats and polls consistently incorrect.

They're not my statistics I just looked them up out of interest whilst reading this thread. They are based on how people say they actually voted, not intent. It's still a small sample size though so could of course be some way off but just put it up as an alternative to personal anecdotes.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Really ,why personalise it , all you have to say I dont agree the quote was about others ,its always seems a default on here to suppress the debate.

I've simply expressed a view about"one or others " , the one doesn't specifically mean me , if someone uses the term "one" it can mean other people ?

I suspect the usual pack of friends will descend soon usual put down and derogatory terminology .

Regarding your explanation of your use of the word 'one':
As a pronoun it should stand in for the words 'a person' and your sentence was related to political parties.
Did you really want your sentence to be interpreted thus:

"Wow your family has really added wonderful value to our society. Your right its free society and you shouldn't be judged by your political choices there's good in each party and it doesn't make you evil if you chose between a person or the other ."

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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you and I both know you were implying that I speak directly to scientists about things whereas you actually knew quite well what I meant in my post. That is why it was a stupid question.

So now you are telling me that I knew what you meant as opposed to what you actually wrote. Interesting.

[surge]

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- before Brexit the UK used to belong to the European Investment Bank, which invested £5bn a year in UK infrastructure

- the UK's new National Infrastructure Bank, announced in the Budget, will provide just £1.5bn a year in projects

Government’s new ‘infrastructure bank’ so small it will have no effect on growth, watchdog says: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1812661.html

In calculations released alongside the budget, the Office for Budget (OBR) responsibility said it had "not adjusted our economy forecast" in light of the bank's creation because of the bank's small size and expected limited impact.

More on the budget. Are we allowed to mention Brexit as well?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Those that work in the NHS are overwhelmingly anti Conservative. Some consultants who make a few quid in private clinics might be swayed but you talk to your average nurse or doctor and they will tell you exactly what they think of the conservatives .

A nurse voting tory is passing on her own chips

Thankfully there are very few of them about

The reason why Bridgend went blue was Brexit , nothing else . Sadly a lump of the electorate were fooled by Boris and his mob of liars .


Some of the Bridgend valleys receive huge funding from Europe 🇪🇺

When the money runs out they are fecked but they have made their choice so there you go

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Your view of the world, and the way it's population is divided up, is so fixed. It's quite odd. Northerners are decent; people in the south east are capitalist pigs; scaffolders support west ham; nobody in x part of London supports Y club etc. Now we have doctors aren't Tories? Come on. All doctors and nurses were medical students once. In my uni at least, it is hard to imagine a more nailed-on group of obnoxious tim-nice-but-dim Tories. I've written up a list of NHS workers I know. At least half are Tories, one of them even stood as a local councillor.

well I know plenty of NHS workers and they wouldn't vote tory as long as they have a hole in their arse

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I would like to support this, the Believe that the NHS is in the vast majority anti tory is nonsense.

61% of Doctors are privately educated (BBC, 2016)

In response to sludge all I can do is provide my personal knowledge, My mother is a nurse in Bridgend and my sister is a nurse in Porthcawl.
I am employed by the NHS (administrative role)

The three of us are Conservative voters, I would describe our politics as fiscally conservative, socially liberal, and you may regard us stupid for believing this, but we all genuinely believe Boris is doing a good job in representing our political persuasion of being right of center.
I would like to suggest that the budget and financial packages over the last year, from our current government are evidence of this, being a moderate/conservative government, hence vindicating our vote

I Honestly, and genuinely believe that there is not large support or a secret motive to privatise the NHS, it is an easy slur to throw around, the rhetoric is as old as you and me, and evidence suggests it is completely fabricated.
To this day Labour have done more in the way of privatising healthcare than any other party.

It is not popular to say this, but in Bridgend alone I can write down the name of 20 nurses I know personally who vote conservative, (and I don't know a whole lot more than those 20!) and I also have spent significant time in a local GP practice, and know for a fact that Brexit was largely supported by the staff as a whole, from the receptionists to the Doctors.

The point in all this, I believe one can believe in the politics of aspiration and conscious capitalism while supporting a world beating nationalised health service.

socially Liberal?

Tell me you are taking the piss

The Conservatives parties attack on benefits for disabled people is an absolute fecking disgrace

Its like something out of nazi Germany

Socially Liberal

Get out of here

[xsnaggle]

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So now you are telling me that I knew what you meant as opposed to what you actually wrote. Interesting.

Because I give you the benefit of believing you are erudite, and an erudite man would be able to grasp what I meant. How else would one say it? Or do you take every single thing you read literally? I don't think so. But you do take things literally when it suits you.
It's a bit like your reference to my wife in another thread which you later said was meant in a different way to the way you wrote it. And that was personal.

[Optimistic Nick]

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well I know plenty of NHS workers and they wouldn't vote tory as long as they have a hole in their arse

Understood. But unless you know them all you are in no position to say that almost nobody in the nhs votes Tory, are you? That’s the point. What this probably means is your friends are mostly anti Tory and that includes some that work in the nhs. That’s all.

[xsnaggle]

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well I know plenty of NHS workers and they wouldn't vote tory as long as they have a hole in their arse

Maybe your not knowing any NHS workers who vote conservative may in part have to do with the fact that you wouldn't talk to anyone who you thought was a tory in the first place.

you should get to know as many tories as you can sludge. Remember, keep your friends close and your enemies closer!!!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Understood. But unless you know them all you are in no position to say that almost nobody in the nhs votes Tory, are you? That’s the point. What this probably means is your friends are mostly anti Tory and that includes some that work in the nhs. That’s all.

82 percent of nurses at the last election voted Labour

Just 6 percent voted tory

More voted green and independent than tory

So I think I am indeed in a position to say that nurses don't vote tory


I hope that clears things up

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Maybe your not knowing any NHS workers who vote conservative may in part have to do with the fact that you wouldn't talk to anyone who you thought was a tory in the first place.

you should get to know as many tories as you can sludge. Remember, keep your friends close and your enemies closer!!!

I know some Liberal Ken Clarke type tories but only every second thursday of the month

[chris lee]

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I think the conclusion of this could be a labour voters friends who work in the NHS are all also labour supporters.

And I conservative voter knows people who work in the NHS and also vote conservative, aha

Maybe Bob Wilson is right, we are all in our own echo chambers at the end of the day

And the truth is somewhere in the middle, as it is with everything in life!