6PM Curfew - for Men.?

[MOZZER2]

Re: 6PM Curfew - for Men.?

haven't followed this story too much but seeing the so called left wing mob causing trouble at the so called silent vigil of Sarah Everard in Clapham common tonight on social media whats all that about ?

[Tuerto]

Re: 6PM Curfew - for Men.?

haven't followed this story too much but seeing the so called left wing mob causing trouble at the so called silent vigil of Sarah Everard in Clapham common tonight on social media whats all that about ?

You tell us what it's about.

[MOZZER2]

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You tell us what it's about.

not sure thats why i,m asking . i see the mayor of london are claiming the scenes in london are unacceptable

[Feedback]

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It's not as absolute as that though, is it? We have already seen in recent decades that changes in society can affect the behaviour of some people even if it is only be degree in some cases. I don't have any facts or statistics to back it up but I would imagine that violent punishment of children by parents has reduced since the sixties - and violence experienced as a child often leaves an imprint that itself may beget violence. In recent years I have assisted in an infants school (helping kids to read) and I have attended a college for evening classes - and just from the very prominent posters and notice boards in both it is obvious that children and young people are being taught to not be concerned about being different and to respect other children they come across who may be different in one way or another.
I think it's all healthy stuff compared to the environment that many of us were brought up in during the sixties where some of us were beaten at home, caned at school and very rarely had a female boss. Bullying was also rife and, in my immediate circle of contacts, very often the worst proponents came from violent homes and/or those who felt like outsiders or inferior in some respects.
It is becoming more unacceptable for males to be dominant in relationships and marriage, which also helps. (I have a friend who delivers courses on such subjects in the Solomon Islands where wife-beating is still very rife).
Yes, some murderers will still murder and some rapists will rape - but to think that the only answer is punishment after the event is not something I could agree with.

If I've understood your point you're saying that children have never had it so good e.g. no corporal punishment, more inclusion, less bullying. Yet despite all of that the incidents of violent crime and murder per million has increased since the 1960s.

And FWIW, I'm not saying punishment is the only solution. My comment was around the likes of Peter Sutcliffe and this copper who, imho, are predisposed to commit these acts because they are narcissistic and lack empathy for their victims or wider society and don't really see what they are doing as being wrong.

[Feedback]

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The post you responded to says that as men, we can help lessen the issue. It doesn’t blame us or all men.

when people claim that its a male problem, and if I don't accept that then i'm part of the problem, I can't see how that isn't saying the issue is all men.

I admit that as a man, I have privilege and I could do more to help make society better. So I am gonna do more and try to be the change I wanna see. This, like many issues (although these issues are not related), can be helped via individual actions.

what is this privilege you speak of?

You mention builders wolf whistling. That is intimidating and degrading women. That is harassment and creating an unequal society. The murder was an extreme incident but the debate, as I say again, is about sexual harassment in general.

is it intimidating and degrading? Are you speaking for all women here or only the women who dislike it. There are plenty of women who like the attention and don't see it as intimidating and degrading. But we're not allowed to consider them because that doesn't suit the narrative.

you're making this about men v women and it should be about stopping violence in general. Are men more inclined to be violent - I don't think they are. I think its a matter of biology that men are stronger and fitter in general so in any given situation, the man is going to be more dominant and hold the upper hand. So it should come as no surprise that typically its more likely than not that violence between the sexes is more inclined to be male driven. But as a man, I'm not going to be held accountable for the actions of someone else, I can only call it out when I see it.

[Feedback]

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If you want to prevent crime you need to make sure people are likely to be caught and convicted, for these sorts of crimes the numbers don't look great. Our justice system is built around the idea that it is better for a guilty person to go free than it is for an innocent person to go to prison. Rape convictions are low because it's seemingly hard to prove (which makes sense really, unless you are a pretty shit rapist there are unlikely to be witnesses), if you want more convictions you probably have to accept that innocent people are a little bit more likely to go to prison.

rape convictions are hard because its ultimately one persons word against another. That's not to say rape's don't happen, and conviction is not helped at all by the false claims made by women.

[Feedback]

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Despite what Feedback has tried to do, I don't think the conversation happening now is solely about the one incident representing one of the most extreme examples.

tell me, what have I tried to do?

[Baloo]

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when people claim that its a male problem, and if I don't accept that then i'm part of the problem, I can't see how that isn't saying the issue is all men.


what is this privilege you speak of?

is it intimidating and degrading? Are you speaking for all women here or only the women who dislike it. There are plenty of women who like the attention and don't see it as intimidating and degrading. But we're not allowed to consider them because that doesn't suit the narrative.

you're making this about men v women and it should be about stopping violence in general. Are men more inclined to be violent - I don't think they are. I think its a matter of biology that men are stronger and fitter in general so in any given situation, the man is going to be more dominant and hold the upper hand. So it should come as no surprise that typically its more likely than not that violence between the sexes is more inclined to be male driven. But as a man, I'm not going to be held accountable for the actions of someone else, I can only call it out when I see it.

You seem to state here that men are no more inclined to be violent and then provide a reason why they are.

[Feedback]

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You seem to state here that men are no more inclined to be violent and then provide a reason why they are.

that's not what I said, its certainly not what I meant. whilst some men and women are inclined towards violent behaviours, the opportunity to act upon those impulses presents itself to the stronger sex more readily. That should come as no surprise.

[Hilts]

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haven't followed this story too much but seeing the so called left wing mob causing trouble at the so called silent vigil of Sarah Everard in Clapham common tonight on social media whats all that about ?

Who has called them a left wing mob???

[Baloo]

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that's not what I said, its certainly not what I meant. whilst some men and women are inclined towards violent behaviours, the opportunity to act upon those impulses presents itself to the stronger sex more readily. That should come as no surprise.

OK, but that’s at the centre of the issue being discussed isn’t it? If the ‘opportunity’ is no surprise, can anything be done?

[Hilts]

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when people claim that its a male problem, and if I don't accept that then i'm part of the problem, I can't see how that isn't saying the issue is all men.


what is this privilege you speak of?

is it intimidating and degrading? Are you speaking for all women here or only the women who dislike it. There are plenty of women who like the attention and don't see it as intimidating and degrading. But we're not allowed to consider them because that doesn't suit the narrative.

you're making this about men v women and it should be about stopping violence in general. Are men more inclined to be violent - I don't think they are. I think its a matter of biology that men are stronger and fitter in general so in any given situation, the man is going to be more dominant and hold the upper hand. So it should come as no surprise that typically its more likely than not that violence between the sexes is more inclined to be male driven. But as a man, I'm not going to be held accountable for the actions of someone else, I can only call it out when I see it.

So wolf whistling from builders shouldnt be discouraged as we should consider those that like it.😂😂😂😂😂

[Feedback]

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OK, but that’s at the centre of the issue being discussed isn’t it? If the ‘opportunity’ is no surprise, can anything be done?

you're asking to undo millions of years of evolution. Men are filled with testosterone, there is a reason for that.

statistically speaking a man is more likely to be murdered or suffer a violent assault that a woman. Yet men don't live in fear of other men as a result. We don't automatically assume that if we're walking home at night the man behind must pose a threat. Yet some women are making out there is danger behind every doorway. This is just not the case.

I have no idea what can be done to combat this, and to be honest, very few people offer up any kind of real solution that does not involve some form of male bashing and misandry. We can't go around making assumptions about anyone these days unless of course you a male. Its bigotry and prejudicial.

[Feedback]

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So wolf whistling from builders shouldnt be discouraged as we should consider those that like it.����������

if that is what you take from that then fair enough, however you're not really taking on board that every women is different and reacts differently in such situations.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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If I've understood your point you're saying that children have never had it so good e.g. no corporal punishment, more inclusion, less bullying. Yet despite all of that the incidents of violent crime and murder per million has increased since the 1960s.

And FWIW, I'm not saying punishment is the only solution. My comment was around the likes of Peter Sutcliffe and this copper who, imho, are predisposed to commit these acts because they are narcissistic and lack empathy for their victims or wider society and don't really see what they are doing as being wrong.

No, you didn't understand my point but not to worry.