6PM Curfew - for Men.?

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Re: 6PM Curfew - for Men.?

haven't followed this story too much but seeing the so called left wing mob causing trouble at the so called silent vigil of Sarah Everard in Clapham common tonight on social media whats all that about ?

Police prevented a peaceful vigil, people gathered peacefully anyway and police countered with heavy handed tactics that really weren't necessary. It was pointed out that Met police are responsibility of Cressinda Dick and Sadiq Khan; it was pointed out that Tory government wants to bring in more extreme laws that make basically ever protest, peaceful or otherwise, illegal; it was pointed out the police had gathered to clap for carers earlier in the year themselves (including Cressinda Dick) breaking lockdown rules.

At same time some more extreme groups - and people not being described as extreme - made statements at the vigil and in describing the vigil which could have put trial at risk. Most of the online statements were then edited when it was brought to their attention.

No left-wing mob. Several vigils around UK without such attention because policed more appropriately. Lot's of noise today about the police with some trying to draw attention back to why there was a vigil in the first place and the discourse that had followed.

[Baloo]

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you're asking to undo millions of years of evolution. Men are filled with testosterone, there is a reason for that.

I assume that’s a turn of phrase as I think it was clear that I wasn’t asking that.

[adz-a32]

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when people claim that its a male problem, and if I don't accept that then i'm part of the problem, I can't see how that isn't saying the issue is all men.


what is this privilege you speak of?

is it intimidating and degrading? Are you speaking for all women here or only the women who dislike it. There are plenty of women who like the attention and don't see it as intimidating and degrading. But we're not allowed to consider them because that doesn't suit the narrative.

you're making this about men v women and it should be about stopping violence in general. Are men more inclined to be violent - I don't think they are. I think its a matter of biology that men are stronger and fitter in general so in any given situation, the man is going to be more dominant and hold the upper hand. So it should come as no surprise that typically its more likely than not that violence between the sexes is more inclined to be male driven. But as a man, I'm not going to be held accountable for the actions of someone else, I can only call it out when I see it.

In the context of the debate, the privilege I have is that I am less likely to be sexually assaulted or harassed because I am a man. There has been a recent statistic that 97% of women aged 18-24 have been sexually harassed or abused. It is safer for me to be out at night. If you cannot see the male privilege we have, you are either naive or a dickhead who think the world revolves around you.

And I cannot speak for women in general but my friends hate being cat called. It is degrading and it is misogynistic. I can’t ****ing believe I am having with debate with someone

[Eric Cartman]

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In the context of the debate, the privilege I have is that I am less likely to be sexually assaulted or harassed because I am a man. There has been a recent statistic that 97% of women aged 18-24 have been sexually harassed or abused.

Source for this? Would be interested to see the methodology.

[Veg1960]

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Source for this? Would be interested to see the methodology.

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/97-of-women-in-the-uk/105940/

[adz-a32]

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Source for this? Would be interested to see the methodology.

https://www.unwomenuk.org/safe-spaces-now

[Eric Cartman]

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https://www.openaccessgovernment.org...the-uk/105940/

It is a little bit vague as to where the bar is set but this interested me:

Researchers further reveal that people who were groped, followed and pressured into sexual activity did not find their experience to be “serious enough” to report.

The other two (groped and pressured into sexual activity) are a bit ambiguous but the fact that women who are being followed don't feel comfortable reporting that to police is shocking.

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In the context of the debate, the privilege I have is that I am less likely to be sexually assaulted or harassed because I am a man.

so its a privilege not to be assaulted. got it. I'd say it was a human fundamental right but there we are.

There has been a recent statistic that 97% of women aged 18-24 have been sexually harassed or abused. It is safer for me to be out at night. If you cannot see the male privilege we have, you are either naive or a dickhead who think the world revolves around you.

your ad hominem attacks display a real level of maturity. Just because an individual has a difference of opinion to you does not make them a dickhead.

and its hardly safer for men to be out at night. Men are more likely to be assaulted, the victims of knife and other violent crimes and are more likely to be murdered. That doesn't suit the narrative though.

And I cannot speak for women in general but my friends hate being cat called. It is degrading and it is misogynistic. I can’t ****ing believe I am having with debate with someone

just because your friends dislike being catcalled does not mean all women do. As I have said some women enjoy the attention. you seem to live in this bubble where you think the world is homogenous and everyone lives according to the experiences you and your friends share. I'd suggest you learn to open your horizons and see that the world extends beyond your own experiences. This isn't a perfect world, but its far from as black and white as you are making.

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https://www.unwomenuk.org/safe-spaces-now

what does sexual harassment constitute in this context? Because if 97% of women are experiencing attempted rape in a public place, that is a very different situation that needs addressing from 97% of women experiencing being whistled at. The article provides no context to what the experiences are.

edit: my bad, page 13 of the report that is linked provides some context.

[Eric Cartman]

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Was talking to my mum this morning and the topic came up. She is a normal person and by no means some twisted twitter extremist and her view was that it would be good for young men to be encouraged to cross the street if they are walking at a quicker pace behind a woman, then crossing back over once you have passed her.

Now, this sounds absolutely ridiculous to me, does anybody agree with this advice?

[Croesy Blue]

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Anecdotal I know but I’d say every woman I know has at the very least been grabbed in a club. And that’s on top of people being weirdos on the tube or other things like that.

And completely ignoring how much more likely a woman is to suffer from domestic abuse.

Maybe it’s just me but I’ve never felt uncomfortable walking home at 4am but every girl I know would at least get a taxi and ever then feel uncomfortable.

Surely people aren’t debating that something should be done to make this better.

I think equating it to men being assaulted is very disingenuous too, no one is saying something should be done about that but it’s definitely a separate issue.

No one is saying “all men” are bad either, coming back with “I’m not like this” and “not all men are like this” is missing the point completely.

[Croesy Blue]

Re: 6PM Curfew - for Men.?

Was talking to my mum this morning and the topic came up. She is a normal person and by no means some twisted twitter extremist and her view was that it would be good for young men to be encouraged to cross the street if they are walking at a quicker pace behind a woman, then crossing back over once you have passed her.

Now, this sounds absolutely ridiculous to me, does anybody agree with this advice?

I think there are much less extreme things you can do to make yourself not seem like a threat.

But I can also understand a women feeling uncomfortable with someone walking closely behind them, that can be avoided just with common sense can’t it.

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Re: 6PM Curfew - for Men.?

Was talking to my mum this morning and the topic came up. She is a normal person and by no means some twisted twitter extremist and her view was that it would be good for young men to be encouraged to cross the street if they are walking at a quicker pace behind a woman, then crossing back over once you have passed her.

Now, this sounds absolutely ridiculous to me, does anybody agree with this advice?

this is something I, and a lot of other men, already do. you end up walking at a comically fast pace to get passed the woman.

[Veg1960]

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Source for this? Would be interested to see the methodology.

Can't find any source material though

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I think equating it to men being assaulted is very disingenuous too, no one is saying something should be done about that but it’s definitely a separate issue.

you've missed the point. Some women are whipping up hysteria saying they don't feel safe outside, whereas despite the statistics showing men are more likely to be a victim, men don't feel unsafe at all.

You'd be quite happy walking home from town on your own, whereas a woman would not. This goes against logic when you take on board you're more likely to be the victim of an assault than any woman. Why is that? Its a serious question