Historically big clubs

[jon1959]

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So Pompey are deservedly Div One champions!
May I suggest that it would behove Tan and his Cardiff management team to examine why this pegasus has risen from the ashes.
The interview with the owner linked in my last post is illuminating.
There is also a new appraisal which encapsulates why the club has been successful (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68806890).
There were almost 20,000 at Fratton Park yesterday and there are ambitious plans to expand the old lady, Fratton Park, to maybe 35,000.

Please don't suggest that Vincent Tan should examine examples of a 'pegasus' risen from the ashes.

It will only confuse him more if he's looking for another (wrong) mythical beast! The worm is bad enough.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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So Pompey are deservedly Div One champions!
May I suggest that it would behove Tan and his Cardiff management team to examine why this pegasus has risen from the ashes.
The interview with the owner linked in my last post is illuminating.
There is also a new appraisal which encapsulates why the club has been successful (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68806890).
There were almost 20,000 at Fratton Park yesterday and there are ambitious plans to expand the old lady, Fratton Park, to maybe 35,000.

Portsmouth could easily support a bigger stadium

It's not just "portsmouth" where their fans come from , it's a big urban area down there as you know

[Packerman]

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Sludge. You know **** all about big clubs. Two years ago you assured everyone that West Ham were not a big club and that they would see a large drop off in fans the following year if they struggled, crowds were circa 55000 that season Turns out they struggled all season and didn’t avoid relegation by much. BUT. They home crowds went up to about 60000. Leathered again.

[Cyclops]

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It's not just "portsmouth" where their fans come from , it's a big urban area down there as you know

Actually Portsmouth and Cardiff are very similar with one whole side of the city bordered by sea.
(They both have hills to the north.)
Cardiff has its valleys and Portsmouth has its outlying council estates, many of which housed the 'dockies'.
The big difference in their histories is that Pompey has won significant honours.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Well he's asked a question and my view is its fan base

I am sure other people would think it's something else

So, playing devil's advocate here, if a bottom division side had 40k crowds every week but had never been close to the top flight in its history, that would be a big club, but a side that spent 20 years in the top division averaging 15k wouldn't be?

[Tuerto]

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Ritzy on Queen St was a big club.

[Dembe]

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So, playing devil's advocate here, if a bottom division side had 40k crowds every week but had never been close to the top flight in its history, that would be a big club, but a side that spent 20 years in the top division averaging 15k wouldn't be?

Why would you even do this to yourself

Biggest WUM on CCMB. You already know his answer.

[goats]

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Ritzy on Queen St was a big club.

You could get lost in that place

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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When we were hopping between the third and fourth our crowds were shocking

Only under Sam did we get decent gates

Not quite true.

When we won promotion in 1993 we had a higher average attendance than when we had promotion in Hammam's first season in 2000/01. Even the two seasons before Hammam arrived saw not too dissimilar averages to that promotion season.

However, in our promotion attempt in 2001/02, we had our first +10k average since 1976/77, although our attendances fluctuated from 17k to start and end the season, to 8k for a couple of games against unfancied sides after an average run. Our crowds got better as we mounted a promotion push.

[Nobody's Rep]

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Ritzy on Queen St was a big club.

Jesus that's a blast from the past - is that one half way up - used to have concerts there as well - always seemed to be trouble there especially people jumping from the balconies onto the dance floor - if it's the one I thinking of

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Sludge. You know **** all about big clubs. Two years ago you assured everyone that West Ham were not a big club and that they would see a large drop off in fans the following year if they struggled, crowds were circa 55000 that season Turns out they struggled all season and didn’t avoid relegation by much. BUT. They home crowds went up to about 60000. Leathered again.

What I said before west ham moved into the new ground is that they were moving into a 60 k seated stadium which they would struggle to fill if they got relegated

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Actually Portsmouth and Cardiff are very similar with one whole side of the city bordered by sea.
(They both have hills to the north.)
Cardiff has its valleys and Portsmouth has its outlying council estates, many of which housed the 'dockies'.
The big difference in their histories is that Pompey has won significant honours.

Portsmouth Gosport Fareham Havant , its all joined up , big place

[Tuerto]

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Jesus that's a blast from the past - is that one half way up - used to have concerts there as well - always seemed to be trouble there especially people jumping from the balconies onto the dance floor - if it's the one I thinking of

That's it. Awful place. It had a few names, Ritzy, Studio, Panama Joes, i think it stated life as the Top Rank. It was shit.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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So, playing devil's advocate here, if a bottom division side had 40k crowds every week but had never been close to the top flight in its history, that would be a big club, but a side that spent 20 years in the top division averaging 15k wouldn't be?

I don't think Wigan is a big club but they spent many years in the top flight with small crowds

[Nobody's Rep]

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That's it. Awful place. It had a few names, Ritzy, Studio, Panama Joes, i think it stated life as the Top Rank. It was shit.

The rank - that's what I thinking of 👍

I used to like Sloane's on Westgate street and also over 21s night in Nero's on Thursdays when I was about 17/18 👍

Feck me I feel old now (because I am)