Trust statement on manager situation.

[Dave Blue]

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I think a few of our fans are getting too precious and need to move on to Man City! CCFC is never going to satisfy and I'd imagine quite a lot would be on the Man City message boards moaning about Pep and the lack of shots, compared to X,Y Z year, criticising his tactics and that he doesn't have a plan F if A-E isn't working well enough.

This line from pro Buluts is getting very irritating. Us City fans are wise enough to know we will never see perfection and the ups and downs are all part of it. However, many of us still expect the team to try to win a match and expect some sort of entertainment in what is an entertainment industry.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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It's more than just not thinking the football's entertaining enough (although why shouldn't we see at least reasonably entertaining football for our money?).
It's about believing that we somehow punched above our weight last season but that another season of Bulut would be another season of passive, predictable football that opponents will know exactly how to deal with, even if we bring in a few new players, that'll see us make no progress and probably finish in the bottom half or worse.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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Nah, they just want to watch something that gets them a bit excited, shows some creativity, allows players to express themselves, even sporadically. We are talking City fans here, Never in my life time have they been precious over the style of play or analytical, most either don't give a shit or don't really care what style we play, as a fan base we're pretty easy to please. I don't think that's a particularly good thing, but it's been that way since Hammam came to the club. When we were in the dungeon we would batter players, managers etc for the performance and tactics. Which, ironically, wasn't that fair, because most of them were on £200 a week and couldn't play. We're just happy to take it now.

I dunno, I remember "Loony Len" getting some stick. It's quite strange how we've become so placid in recent times though. Maybe we're just resigned to the fact that the man making all the (ropey) decisions is the one keeping us afloat. And perhaps the social media is partly to blame. When you see "the lads" larking about every day in training and "fun" quizzes and cheeky-grin-thumbs-aloft Siopis, maybe people think they have a greater attachment to them and can't bring themselves to call them shite.

Perhaps if Instagram was around when Jimmy Gardner was here he wouldn't have got as much grief.

[The Lone Gunman]

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I can only assume that those who try to tell us it was OK really are doing so because to admit otherwise might lead us to think they want Bulut to leave? No idea. It's baffling in any case.

It would be baffling were it not for the fact that those who tell us we're wrong and it was OK really are generally vacuous individuals who have little or no imagination and tend view things in the most basic terms - the 'should support Man City' bollocks being a prime example.

City returned to this level in 2003/04. The team finished 13th in the table that season. The Bluebirds beat Derby 4-1, Gillingham 5-0 and Sunderland 4-0 at Ninian Park, lost a thriller 5-3 at Sheffield United, and there were plenty of other entertaining wins, draws and losses along the way involving plenty of goals.

An entertaining Championship campaign that ended in a mid-table finish? Surely not?!? I mean, that's not possible, is it?

[sneggyblubird]

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What I do think about Bulut is he possibly walked into this job without knowing the in's and out's of the championship and was promised alot more in the way of support than he actually got.I get the feeling he missed out on some of his targets because of dithering and ffp and in the end had to go with what he had.I'm not convinced that all of the signings were his.I sit in the grandstand and was acutely aware of the palpable disappointment from those around me but at no time did I hear anything said about the ability of the manager or otherwise and given the right support I think we'll do better this season. I don't agree with shooting the messenger because dialog is always better than shouting abuse.

[pipster]

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You’re as daft on here as you are on the other board! This thread should tell you that there isn’t 100 per cent support for Bulut among the fan base.

However, unlike some others in this thread, I make no claims as to how many fans are for or against our manager, but what I will say is that any season ticket holder at Cardiff City Stadium that said they got full value for money and enjoyed their season must have spent their hundreds of pounds, first, for the chance of a few pints with their mates and, second, for the football.

I remember the Wales Today interview, when the Red / Blue was in full force. They interviewed the Trust spokesman - and asked him the same set of questions, he didnt have the answer - so he couldnt backup the statement the trust had made saying something like the majority of fans wanted 'x' etc , I felt sorry for him as he expected everyone including the media to agree with him. The journalists quite rightly asked him an opposing set of questions.

It is very easy to setup a google form / questionnaire - email it to all the trust members and then publish the result - along with how many were asked etc. Simple enough really.

[the other bob wilson]

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I remember the Wales Today interview, when the Red / Blue was in full force. They interviewed the Trust spokesman - and asked him the same set of questions, he didnt have the answer - so he couldnt backup the statement the trust had made saying something like the majority of fans wanted 'x' etc , I felt sorry for him as he expected everyone including the media to agree with him. The journalists quite rightly asked him an opposing set of questions.

It is very easy to setup a google form / questionnaire - email it to all the trust members and then publish the result - along with how many were asked etc. Simple enough really.

From memory, there were at least two ballots of Trust members when it came to the rebrand. Quite why they’d need one on Erik Bulut I’m not sure. Far better to cover all bases surely by saying not everyone is in favour of a new contract for the manager when it was wrongly assumed by some in the media that the first message the Trust sent out on the matter was a plea for Bulut to stay.

There’s no logic to the point of view of those who are criticising the Trust for recognising that there are those who are critical of the manager’s style of play and tactics. I’m a Trust member (I wonder if any of those having a go at the Trust are?) and I don’t want to see our manager in charge next season because the football was so dull in 23/24, but I’m not annoyed at Keith for not saying Bulut has to go in today’s message. I recognise that there are differing views among Trust members on the subject and they have to find a way to best reflect those differing opinions - you don’t need a survey of members to know that will be differing opinions on Erol Bulut within the Trust membership and the wider City support.

[Ninian1962]

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I remember the Wales Today interview, when the Red / Blue was in full force. They interviewed the Trust spokesman - and asked him the same set of questions, he didnt have the answer - so he couldnt backup the statement the trust had made saying something like the majority of fans wanted 'x' etc , I felt sorry for him as he expected everyone including the media to agree with him. The journalists quite rightly asked him an opposing set of questions.

It is very easy to setup a google form / questionnaire - email it to all the trust members and then publish the result - along with how many were asked etc. Simple enough really.

Could you please remind me of that Wales Today interview and who that spokesman was who was asked the questions you refer to?

If the Red/Blue colours was the topic , how could the questions have been the same as the current ones being debated about the current manager?

To clarify (again) the Trust board was always consistently against the idea of the change of colours to red and always said so - there was no confusion.

To further clarify , the recent Trust statement criticising the club delay in deciding the manager position was sent to all Trust members by email and also posted on the Trust Twitter account. So all had the opportunity to comment and raise any objections or disagreement - that`s the fully democratic way in which we operate.

[BLUEAWAY TOO]

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Dear Member,

You will recall that I emailed you on 6th April regarding the situation in respect of the position of Manager. In that email I informed you that, at that time, the decision regarding the future of Erol Bulut had been in the hands of Vincent Tan for some time. The Trust made no observation as to who should be appointed to the post only that a decision should be made speedily to remove uncertainties and disquiet amongst fans.

Well, here we are, more than 7 weeks later with no sign of any progress on this issue. There has been little or no meaningful information from the club on this matter leading to rumour, speculation and frustration amongst the fanbase.

The absence of footballing expertise at Board level and the intransigence of Vincent Tan in his views on the appointment of a Director of Football or similar continues to be a concern, especially in the current circumstances.

I think it is fair to say that an extended contract for the current manager does not necessarily have 100% support amongst the fans. There are concerns over style of football and tactics but there seems to be a degree of unanimity amongst the fanbase that the current situation is unacceptable and should be resolved one way or another as soon as possible.

Keith Morgan

Chair

Buluts silence is as deafening as the club’s.
Not like him?

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Could you please remind me of that Wales Today interview and who that spokesman was who was asked the questions you refer to?

If the Red/Blue colours was the topic , how could the questions have been the same as the current ones being debated about the current manager?

To clarify (again) the Trust board was always consistently against the idea of the change of colours to red and always said so - there was no confusion.

To further clarify , the recent Trust statement criticising the club delay in deciding the manager position was sent to all Trust members by email and also posted on the Trust Twitter account. So all had the opportunity to comment and raise any objections or disagreement - that`s the fully democratic way in which we operate.

In fairness the persona that is pipster does have cowardly memory lapses when it comes to its pronouncements. He seems to have endless innuendo as the moral beating heart of Pontcanna, whether it is Plaid AMs (where he had his lilly livered heart served on a plate by someone in the know)

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?460670-Rhys-Ab-Owen-Plaid-AM-oh-dear&highlight=rhys

or his latest kick at a retiring MP that he (without any evidence) spent the naughties knee deep in snow.

I would file the Wales Today reference just to the south of Edith Byton in the heirarchy of fact and fiction!

[J R Hartley]

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The Trust do themselves no favours in commenting on on-field style of play. Messageboards are the place to have a whinge about style of play but its not the Trusts job to hold the club to account for the style of play. Who on the Trust is a qualified championship level coach?

[The Lone Gunman]

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Who on the Trust is a qualified championship level coach?

Do we have any of those at the football club?

[the other bob wilson]

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The Trust do themselves no favours in commenting on on-field style of play. Messageboards are the place to have a whinge about style of play but its not the Trusts job to hold the club to account for the style of play. Who on the Trust is a qualified championship level coach?

I don’t see any direct comments from the Trust about our style of play in their statement, just an acknowledgment that there are supporters with misgivings about it. I’d be amazed if I’m the only Trust member who is critical of our style of play under Erol Bulut, but, even if I am, it shows that, as is nearly always the case, there are a variety of opinions held by both Trust members and the wider support - it seems to me that all the Trust is trying to do is reflect that.

[J R Hartley]

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Do we have any of those at the football club?

Touche

[J R Hartley]

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I don’t see any direct comments from the Trust about our style of play in their statement, just an acknowledgment that there are supporters with misgivings about it. I’d be amazed if I’m the only Trust member who is critical of our style of play under Erol Bulut, but, even if I am, it shows that, as is nearly always the case, there are a variety of opinions held by both Trust members and the wider support - it seems to me that all the Trust is trying to do is reflect that.

No doubt there are more trust members other than yourself who are not totally enamoured with Bulut ball, I just dont think the Trust, or any supporters organisations for that matter, should be putting out official statements and making reference to the style of play and tactics. Personally, I dont think that paragraph was needed and I dont think it does the Trust any favours.

By all means ask what is going on with the new manager situation but football is subjective so style of play and tactics should be left to the proffesionals wether we agree with them or not.