Has 20mph made our roads safer?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Not according to this link. Sorry it's from Nation.cymru but that doesn't change the data that it contains.

https://nation.cymru/news/group-doubts-20mph-default-speed-limit-has-made-welsh-roads-safer/

A summary of the graphs for those who can't be bothered with the link. They contain comparisons between the last quarters of 2022 and 2023, so the 2023 data is after the 20mph limits were introduced.

Deaths on roads 30mph and lower: 8 in 2022 and 7 in 2023, so 1 fewer in 2023. As many deaths on 20mph roads as there were in 2022 on 30mph roads.

Serious injuries: down from 120 in 2022 to 105 in 2023.

Seriously injured motorcyclists and cyclists: up from 52 to 65 in 2023.

None of this comes as a surprise to me. Has it been worth it? Not at all.

[poc]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Not according to this link. Sorry it's from Nation.cymru but that doesn't change the data that it contains.

https://nation.cymru/news/group-doubts-20mph-default-speed-limit-has-made-welsh-roads-safer/

A summary of the graphs for those who can't be bothered with the link. They contain comparisons between the last quarters of 2022 and 2023, so the 2023 data is after the 20mph limits were introduced.

Deaths on roads 30mph and lower: 8 in 2022 and 7 in 2023, so 1 fewer in 2023. As many deaths on 20mph roads as there were in 2022 on 30mph roads.

Serious injuries: down from 120 in 2022 to 105 in 2023.

Seriously injured motorcyclists and cyclists: up from 52 to 65 in 2023.

None of this comes as a surprise to me. Has it been worth it? Not at all.

the clickbait rag

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Not according to this link. Sorry it's from Nation.cymru but that doesn't change the data that it contains.

https://nation.cymru/news/group-doubts-20mph-default-speed-limit-has-made-welsh-roads-safer/

A summary of the graphs for those who can't be bothered with the link. They contain comparisons between the last quarters of 2022 and 2023, so the 2023 data is after the 20mph limits were introduced.

Deaths on roads 30mph and lower: 8 in 2022 and 7 in 2023, so 1 fewer in 2023. As many deaths on 20mph roads as there were in 2022 on 30mph roads.

Serious injuries: down from 120 in 2022 to 105 in 2023.

Seriously injured motorcyclists and cyclists: up from 52 to 65 in 2023.

None of this comes as a surprise to me. Has it been worth it? Not at all.

We all knew it's just Drippy proving he could do what he wanted, and the new illegally dumping waste lover seems just as bad.

[BLUETIT]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

I’d love to see the insurance claims for minor bumps, since the 20mph came into force

[caerkid]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

I’d love to see the insurance claims for minor bumps, since the 20mph came into force

20% drop in vehicle damage claims according to Esure last week https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...ph-speed-limit

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Well I think people have definitely slowed down in towns and around schools

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

20% drop in vehicle damage claims according to Esure last week https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...ph-speed-limit

Excellent. Can't wait for the drop in premiums....

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Well I think people have definitely slowed down in towns and around schools

Around towns and villages, probably. Around schools? Most were in 20mph limits anyway and rightly so.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

We all knew it's just Drippy proving he could do what he wanted, and the new illegally dumping waste lover seems just as bad.

Can't pin that one on Drakeford if you know what you're talking about. This was Lee Waters baby all the way through, then he stepped down after it was implemented. Blame him.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Seems a bit early to be making statistical analysis ?

Give it 4 years

[goats]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

I think people have just gone back to their usual speeds in the main. Cardiff is slow anyway as there’s lights every 200 ft so barely any point. From what I can gather there’s been more accidents as people are watching their speedo ins tread of the road. There were barely any fatalities anyway in 30 zones. It wasn’t done for safety anyway, just another deluded control freak.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Can't pin that one on Drakeford if you know what you're talking about. This was Lee Waters baby all the way through, then he stepped down after it was implemented. Blame him.

He's the boss, it would be like blaming the kit man for our defeats.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

He's the boss, it would be like blaming the kit man for our defeats.

Nonsense. I know you don't like him but no leader decides everything. There's a reason for things like the House of Commons, Senedd etc is that elected members vote on things. Even Tories voted for 20mph. It would be entirely fair to blame Labour for 20mph, same as blaming the Tories for things in Westminster - I wouldn't blame Sunak for decisions a party makes.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Not according to this link. Sorry it's from Nation.cymru but that doesn't change the data that it contains.

https://nation.cymru/news/group-doubts-20mph-default-speed-limit-has-made-welsh-roads-safer/

A summary of the graphs for those who can't be bothered with the link. They contain comparisons between the last quarters of 2022 and 2023, so the 2023 data is after the 20mph limits were introduced.

Deaths on roads 30mph and lower: 8 in 2022 and 7 in 2023, so 1 fewer in 2023. As many deaths on 20mph roads as there were in 2022 on 30mph roads.

Serious injuries: down from 120 in 2022 to 105 in 2023.

Seriously injured motorcyclists and cyclists: up from 52 to 65 in 2023.

None of this comes as a surprise to me. Has it been worth it? Not at all.

Surely we need to go down to 10mph if 20mph isn't working?

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Nonsense. I know you don't like him but no leader decides everything. There's a reason for things like the House of Commons, Senedd etc is that elected members vote on things. Even Tories voted for 20mph. It would be entirely fair to blame Labour for 20mph, same as blaming the Tories for things in Westminster - I wouldn't blame Sunak for decisions a party makes.

You'd blame Boris, rightly so, he was useless too.