Has 20mph made our roads safer?

[goats]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

If more people are crashing because they can't cope with checking their speed, those drivers probably shouldn't be on the road in the first place.

No shit, there are some shocking drivers out there

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

But this has been going on far too long. And it's mostly just people whining. And the discussion is always political. Enough already.

You live in the US, you haven't got a clown for a leader so wouldn't understand :hehe:

[BLUETIT]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

You live in the US, you haven't got a clown for a leader so wouldn't understand :hehe:

Here’s their “leader”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nbEKgBaTGQo

[TWGL1]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

I completely agree.

As long as those risk averse policies don’t cause long huge and long lasting damage in the long run :thumbup:

[Rjk]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a minute and ask a few questions about these statistics.

The stats show that there's been a 12% drop in serious injuries and deaths on roads of 20 and 30mph. It will be interesting to see the results after a year.

Was there a target for a reduction in these injuries/deaths in those speed limit areas? Are there targets for similar reductions in injuries and deaths in other speed limit areas?

Who decides what is an acceptable reduction? Surely, if the whole point of reducing speed limits is to dramatically reduce these injuries and deaths. 12% doesn't seem a big reduction, so what's next? Who decides that 128 deaths/injuries is not good but 112 is better? Will someone say 112 is too many and that needs reducing further? Is there an acceptable level of deaths/injuries? If there isn't we'll just keep finding more ways to make cars slow down or not be used at all to further reduce these levels. If there is, it then makes a mockery of the whole thing.

Surely those who can only keep advocating that it might save one life of someone you love will accept that reductions in deaths/serious injuries will only ever go so far.

The reason why so many countries have started to implement 20mph / 30kmph in urban areas is that it does reduce deaths and accidents, insurance claims etc but it doesn't have much significant impact on most people's journeys or a particularly negative effect on the economy.

Clearly if you reduced the motorways to 20 you could save even more lives, but that would have a devastating impact on the economy, so it is always about striking a balance.

[Des Parrot]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

It’s populated the speed awareness courses with “old dears”. The one I went on (62 in a 50 on the Heads of Valleys), at least 75% were females of retirement age.

[Tuerto]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

It’s populated the speed awareness courses with “old dears”. The one I went on (62 in a 50 on the Heads of Valleys), at least 75% were females of retirement age.

Any Luck, Des......

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

I'd would like to see a new policy of walking backwards implemented, as it could stop people bumping head-on into each other.

[Dembe]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

I'd would like to see a new policy of walking backwards implemented, as it could stop people bumping head-on into each other.

Walking backwards uphill strengthens the knees.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

It’s populated the speed awareness courses with “old dears”. The one I went on (62 in a 50 on the Heads of Valleys), at least 75% were females of retirement age.

These old bidies can certainly get worked up.
I brightened up my speed course awareness when the speed policeman lecturer asked if anyone ever tailgated.
I made the mistake of putting my hand up , I was lucky to escape with my life.
I did explain I only tailgated when people are blocking the outside or middle lane whilst the inside lane was free for mile upon mile.
I had to leave by a rear door .

For our very safety conscious posters perhaps we should ban all females from driving over the age of sixty?
I mean if we didn't and one of them ran over and killed wee Johnny..........

[Dembe]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

These old bidies can certainly get worked up.
I brightened up my speed course awareness when the speed policeman lecturer asked if anyone ever tailgated.
I made the mistake of putting my hand up , I was lucky to escape with my life.
I did explain I only tailgated when people are blocking the outside or middle lane whilst the inside lane was free for mile upon mile.
I had to leave by a rear door .

For our very safety conscious posters perhaps we should ban all females from driving over the age of sixty?
I mean if we didn't and one of them ran over and killed wee Johnny..........

Don't admit to anything on CCMB. The CCMB perfect human society will be along shortly to scold you.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

The reason why so many countries have started to implement 20mph / 30kmph in urban areas is that it does reduce deaths and accidents, insurance claims etc but it doesn't have much significant impact on most people's journeys or a particularly negative effect on the economy.

Clearly if you reduced the motorways to 20 you could save even more lives, but that would have a devastating impact on the economy, so it is always about striking a balance.

When you say doesn't have much significant impact, that depends on where you live or where you need to go to. I could completely debunk the notion from the WG that it means only adding a minute on journeys.

Bingo, it's about striking a balance. I think everyone should be aware of that, which was my point. You get some who, even if it saves one person, say it'll have been worth it, regardless of the inconvenience on motorists. I'd be interested in your reply to my point about lots of accidents being caused by dangerous drivers, those under the influence and those using phones. No reductions in speed limits is going to stop them having accidents, but it's the rest of us who have to suffer for it.

[BLUETIT]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Using more petrol

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

These old bidies can certainly get worked up.
I brightened up my speed course awareness when the speed policeman lecturer asked if anyone ever tailgated.
I made the mistake of putting my hand up , I was lucky to escape with my life.
I did explain I only tailgated when people are blocking the outside or middle lane whilst the inside lane was free for mile upon mile.
I had to leave by a rear door .

For our very safety conscious posters perhaps we should ban all females from driving over the age of sixty?
I mean if we didn't and one of them ran over and killed wee Johnny..........

Middle lane hoggers are the worst they cause speeding if they are doing 60 blocking the motorway you have to use the outside overtaking lane to pass a bg lime and you have to push the speed up beyond 70 otherwise you are blocking the cars wanting to do 85, so you could get done for speeding just trying to get past them.

They should be prosecuted much more often, they also cause accidents as people pass on the inside, and then they pull in, as Dembe will tell you :hehe:

[caerkid]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

I'd be interested in your reply to my point about lots of accidents being caused by dangerous drivers, those under the influence and those using phones. No reductions in speed limits is going to stop them having accidents, but it's the rest of us who have to suffer for it.

Not true, unless by 'dangerous drivers' you mean people being distracted, careless or in a hurry (i.e people being people)

Figure 9 at this link is what you need : https://www.gov.wales/police-recorde...20as%20serious.

Top 5 causes of accidents in 2023 were basic driver errors which can occur for any driver. You have to get down no.6 for speeding, 7 for drinking and 8 for your previous suggestion of kamikaze pedestrians.