Still don't like this idea.

[TheBirchgrovePub]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

Would anyone be against joining the Welsh League by the way?

The way football is going, the shambles that is the disparity between the PL and Championship at the moment, never mind the Top 6 and the rest of the PL. We were one game from Europe twice but football has come a very long way since then.

Only 2 teams outside of the top 6 have won the FA Cup since 2008. The League Cup has been dominated by the big 6 in recent seasons. I look at Scotland's league and am often quite jealous, but ironically ours would be more competitive.

Wrexham, Newport, Swansea, Cardiff going for the title each season, teams towards the bottom gradually becoming competetive over a number of years. The first few years would obviously be poor but it would be great once those 4 teams were going for the title each season.

Won't ever happen of course but I think if a phoenix Cardiff City ever happened and joined the Welsh League I'd make the switch

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

Would anyone be against joining the Welsh League by the way?

Yes. It's a woeful idea in every respect.

[TheBirchgrovePub]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

That's basically what I was saying - the paragraph suggests there would be no profit for any of the EFL clubs if they were to play in Europe.

What did you think I said?

My apologies I misread

[Armitage Shanks]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

Would anyone be against joining the Welsh League by the way?

The way football is going, the shambles that is the disparity between the PL and Championship at the moment, never mind the Top 6 and the rest of the PL. We were one game from Europe twice but football has come a very long way since then.

Only 2 teams outside of the top 6 have won the FA Cup since 2008. The League Cup has been dominated by the big 6 in recent seasons. I look at Scotland's league and am often quite jealous, but ironically ours would be more competitive.

Wrexham, Newport, Swansea, Cardiff going for the title each season, teams towards the bottom gradually becoming competetive over a number of years. The first few years would obviously be poor but it would be great once those 4 teams were going for the title each season.

Won't ever happen of course but I think if a phoenix Cardiff City ever happened and joined the Welsh League I'd make the switch

I wouldn't as I'm not from Cardiff. If Caerphilly were in the Welsh league I would support them. Or even PenyBont

[TheBirchgrovePub]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

Yes. It's a woeful idea in every respect.

I guess it's how you view football as you get older. When I was 20 years younger I'd have hated the idea but as I've got older I quite like the idea. What is our aim in the English system? We have been in the Championship for all but 2 of the last 22 seasons. The gap is getting even bigger now so for me I just view it as more of the same over the next 10-15 years as football eats itself.

Appreciate this is an unpopular opinion and will never happen, just curious if anyone feels the same way and would love a fresh start in a league not yet corrupted by greedy billionaires (with blood on their hands in a lot of cases)

[TheBirchgrovePub]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

I wouldn't as I'm not from Cardiff. If Caerphilly were in the Welsh league I would support them. Or even PenyBont

That would be good for the league

[Don Corleone]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

Would anyone be against joining the Welsh League by the way?

The way football is going, the shambles that is the disparity between the PL and Championship at the moment, never mind the Top 6 and the rest of the PL. We were one game from Europe twice but football has come a very long way since then.

Only 2 teams outside of the top 6 have won the FA Cup since 2008. The League Cup has been dominated by the big 6 in recent seasons. I look at Scotland's league and am often quite jealous, but ironically ours would be more competitive.

Wrexham, Newport, Swansea, Cardiff going for the title each season, teams towards the bottom gradually becoming competetive over a number of years. The first few years would obviously be poor but it would be great once those 4 teams were going for the title each season.

Won't ever happen of course but I think if a phoenix Cardiff City ever happened and joined the Welsh League I'd make the switch

I would have no interest in Cardiff city in the Welsh league.

[Don Corleone]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

This idea doesn’t make a lot of sense. Have UEFA actually changed their stance on this then? The Europeanconference league isn’t the most attractive of competitions either, would prefer if we took the FA cup and league cup more seriously.

I Sumer for most games we would still play our under 21s which is what we were doing anyway

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

I guess it's how you view football as you get older.

I'm the polar opposite. The older I get, the more I'd like to see Cardiff City compete properly in the Premier League. And I'm not talking about going up and coming straight back down again. I'm talking about going up, staying up and competing, as the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton and Fulham have managed to do. If they can do it, why can't we?

Those clubs currently sit above Manchester United, Spurs and Everton in the top flight. To me, that's a rather more attractive proposition than playing in a league with Haverfordwest, Bala Town and Briton Ferry.

[TheBirchgrovePub]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

I'm the polar opposite. The older I get, the more I'd like to see Cardiff City compete properly in the Premier League. And I'm not talking about going up and coming straight back down again. I'm talking about going up, staying up and competing, as the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton and Fulham have managed to do. If they can do it, why can't we?

Those clubs currently sit above Manchester United, Spurs and Everton in the top flight. To me, that's a rather more attractive proposition than playing in a league with Haverfordwest, Bala Town and Briton Ferry.

The gap is getting bigger than ever though.

The 3 promoted teams the season before last went straight back down with a whimper last season, and 2 of the 3 are now top 3 again. The same will happen to them if they go up. The 3 promoted teams last season are currently in the bottom 3. They are well run clubs as well.

The likes of Brighton, Bournemouth etc have very wealthy owners and got lucky with the timing. They can outbid teams in Serie A and La Liga these days, their financial footing means we have no chance if we did ever get promoted. To me we are a million miles away from being a club run well enough to get promoted never mind bridging that financial gap and establishing ourselves.

[KingOfSiamIAm]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

I'm the polar opposite. The older I get, the more I'd like to see Cardiff City compete properly in the Premier League. And I'm not talking about going up and coming straight back down again. I'm talking about going up, staying up and competing, as the likes of Bournemouth, Brentford, Brighton and Fulham have managed to do. If they can do it, why can't we?

Those clubs currently sit above Manchester United, Spurs and Everton in the top flight. To me, that's a rather more attractive proposition than playing in a league with Haverfordwest, Bala Town and Briton Ferry.

This.

[Trigger]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

The gap is getting bigger than ever though.

It may be, but we are talking extremely small sample sizes. Things change over the longer term. Still a lot of questions over how finances will play out.

Even if the gap was a few divisions that's surely more interesting than watching us play mostly village teams.

The championship by international standings is a bloody good league full of historic clubs. Even in the unlikely event that's forever our ceiling, it's a lot higher than effectively demoting the club several levels to be a big fish in a tiny pond.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

The gap is getting bigger than ever though.

Perhaps, but that doesn't mean to say we as a club have to abandon all ambition.

Besides which, the doomsday 'gap is getting too big, Premier League is becoming a closed shop' predictions have been flying around for decades. Indeed, at the time of the rebrand, two directors told me that if City didn't take Vincent Tan's money and get promoted to the Premier League in either 2013/14 or 2013/14, we never would because rule changes to parachute payments meant the opportunity to compete would be gone.

But even if the Premier League did become a closed shop (and I don't believe it will), I'd much rather see City compete in the EFL than any Welsh league.

[jon1959]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

This paragraph is confusing:

"Cardiff City, Newport County, Swansea City and Wrexham have agreed to exclude any profit derived by representing Wales in UEFA competitions for financial regulations in the English Football League or the English Premier League."

So are we seriously saying that the four league clubs are prepared to give up the possibility of qualifying for Europe via the Premier League, the FA Cup or the League Cup, and the obvious financial rewards that would come with such a qualification, in order to play in some tinpot Welsh competition that they cannot profit from?

This idea sounds worse every time I read about it.

I have re-read that paragraph a dozen times and I still don't know what it means. Confusing is right.

"Exclude any profit.... for financial regulations...."

Like you and others I can guess what it means, and I don't like it, but as written it does not make sense.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

I have re-read that paragraph a dozen times and I still don't know what it means. Confusing is right.

"Exclude any profit.... for financial regulations...."

Like you and others I can guess what it means, and I don't like it, but as written it does not make sense.

I agree, which is why I asked a question as opposed to make a statement regarding it. The paragraph makes no real sense. And if it really does mean what it seems to suggest, then this whole idea makes absolutely zero sense for the four EFL clubs.