Still don't like this idea.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

This paragraph is confusing:

"Cardiff City, Newport County, Swansea City and Wrexham have agreed to exclude any profit derived by representing Wales in UEFA competitions for financial regulations in the English Football League or the English Premier League."

So are we seriously saying that the four league clubs are prepared to give up the possibility of qualifying for Europe via the Premier League, the FA Cup or the League Cup, and the obvious financial rewards that would come with such a qualification, in order to play in some tinpot Welsh competition that they cannot profit from?

This idea sounds worse every time I read about it.

This is absolutely mental, unless we can get cast iron guarantees from the EFL and PL that this won't affect us, and we can qualify for Europe through the English system as well, this should be a total non starter.

One look on social media tells you all you need to know what opposition fans think. Playing in the EFL gives welsh kids a fantastic opportunity to play at a far higher level than the Cymru Prem. For the good of welsh football, as well as CCFC, we have to stay in the EFL.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

You don't think it's good experience for youngsters to be playing against senior teams? It might not just be youngsters but fringe players too which would make it more like the old reserves games, which would be more use than the U21 league.

We won't play youngsters. It'll be 4 games, and we'll almost certainly have to beat the Jacks in one of those games.

[Tuerto]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

You don't think it's good experience for youngsters to be playing against senior teams? It might not just be youngsters but fringe players too which would make it more like the old reserves games, which would be more use than the U21 league.

Which bit am i saying like it's a bad thing? I don't believe that young players coming up against the runners up in the latvia will make an ounce of difference to their development. Jut bring back the old reserve league instead

[ToTaL ITK]

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In fairness to Tan he did say (according to dalman so fair size pinch of salt needed) he still wants to take us to the premier league - maybe he doesn't realise the difference between the English and Welsh premier leagues 🤔

we wouldn't be top of a welsh PL

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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Which bit am i saying like it's a bad thing?

Was just making a joke in favour of some fancy away trips.

[splott parker]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

You don't think it's good experience for youngsters to be playing against senior teams? It might not just be youngsters but fringe players too which would make it more like the old reserves games, which would be more use than the U21 league.

The ‘old reserves’ league was the Football Combination in the south & the Central League in the north. Great grounding for players, very often our reserves were facing better opponents than the first team, certainly when playing Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham etc. This proposed set up would be nowhere near that standard.

[Father Dougal]

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Absolutely an argument to be made we should be in the CPL and a league of say

Cardiff swansea wrexham newport merthyr colwyn bay TNS barry town bangor connahs quay penybont caernarfon cardiff met haverfordwest and bala appeals to some people. European football opportunities legitimately.

Theres an argument to be made for that.

Theres an argument for remaining in england and trying to progress in english competitions.

However id never be convinced any side should be allowed to play across 2 separate independent football nations.

All in. Or all out.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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This proposed set up would be nowhere near that standard.

I agree, but one of the criticisms of the U21 league is that it bears no resemblance to the seniors team, and with no old style reserve league on the agenda this would at least be something like it.

I think this is all quite intriguing and while there still seems to be things to iron out, I don't want to rain on our European Conference League winners parade.

[Father Dougal]

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I agree, but one of the criticisms of the U21 league is that it bears no resemblance to the seniors team, and with no old style reserve league on the agenda this would at least be something like it.

I think this is all quite intriguing and while there still seems to be things to iron out, I don't want to rain on our European Conference League winners parade.

So the under 21s just carry on playing in the nathaniel mg cup as they already do?

Whats the boost for welsh football to watch our under 21s play v bala in leckwith?

[Father Dougal]

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"As with the criteria for the EFL Trophy, they would be required to meet player experience standards to ensure they field a strong team."
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...opean-30768538

Good read this.

It says privately the EFL clubs are doubtful the FA will approve the plans.

The other efl clubs will be against it as are the EFL. Im sure the FA will listen to them more than the FAW.

This wont happen.

[llan bluebird]

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So let me get this right.

16 clubs, 4 rounds and we'd have to win it to go through to the early conference rounds, and we do that for free?

So the final is Swansea Cardiff at theirs, who picks up the policing bill? Are bookings counted for the EFL? Will all the players need a FAW registration rather than EFL? As Wales' co-efficient is so low we'd surely be playing in the 2nd week of July, we don't work out our transfers until September!!!!

I can only assume S4C would show the games live, so why attend?

The conference league hurt a big squad like West Ham, its the travelling rather than just the games......And we do this for free?

Totally pointless

Anyway, we'd go out in the semi's so it would hurt the Jacks

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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So the under 21s just carry on playing in the nathaniel mg cup as they already do?

Whats the boost for welsh football to watch our under 21s play v bala in leckwith?

No, it would be more akin to a reserve league fixture with a mix of youngsters and fringe players.

I imagine the boost to Welsh football is in the bigger picture.

[City123]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

So let me get this right.

16 clubs, 4 rounds and we'd have to win it to go through to the early conference rounds, and we do that for free?

So the final is Swansea Cardiff at theirs, who picks up the policing bill? Are bookings counted for the EFL? Will all the players need a FAW registration rather than EFL? As Wales' co-efficient is so low we'd surely be playing in the 2nd week of July, we don't work out our transfers until September!!!!

I can only assume S4C would show the games live, so why attend?

The conference league hurt a big squad like West Ham, its the travelling rather than just the games......And we do this for free?

Totally pointless

Anyway, we'd go out in the semi's so it would hurt the Jacks

Why would bookings in an FAW competition carry over to an English FA competition? We're already registered as an FAW club as are our players as well, its why we need international clearance

The whole point from the FAWs point of view is for the EFL clubs to help raise the coefficient

I imagine West Ham fans will remember the Conference League season more fondly than when they finished 9th or whatever

Its a chance for us to play in Europe and help strengthen Welsh football, sounds good to me

[bobh]

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IMO the long-term aim of the FAW is to get the Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport to play in the League of Wales.
It'd not cler how they would force us down that route, but this would be a small step to achieving that.

[The Bloop]

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So which players does Noel Mooney envisage will be playing in both his competition and the European Conference league?
If a mix of youth/ under 21s/fringe first team play in the FAW competition, then will they also play in the European Conference, or will the first team play?
The more I hear about it, the more I don't like it. If Mooneys reasoning is to boost grass roots football, then the success of the national teams should be enough.