Still don't like this idea.

[The Lone Gunman]

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'Profit' is such a loose term.

Turnover would be clearer, but can incurred costs such as staffing be recouped?

Ask the FAW. Their statement makes no genuine sense.

[WJ99mobile]

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You are replying to a post that was in response to another suggesting City should leave the EFL and join the Welsh League.

Fair enough

Well that’s a car crash idea to me

[poc]

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sounds a real bad idea

[splott parker]

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Could poke a hornets nest that needs to be left alone.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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I agree, which is why I asked a question as opposed to make a statement regarding it. The paragraph makes no real sense. And if it really does mean what it seems to suggest, then this whole idea makes absolutely zero sense for the four EFL clubs.

If it was just City, then I'd assume it's another ludicrous decision made by a football club that has no idea about football, but presumably both Swansea and Wrexham are also signed up to being a benefactor to Welsh football, then I'm flummoxed. Completely !!

[Ninian1962]

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The paragraph I've quoted earlier in the thread suggests the club would not be able to profit from the gate receipts, but it's not entirely clear, so who knows?

I note that TNS's many European games this season included Europa Conference League clashes with Astana, Shamrock Rovers, Djurgaardens and NK Celje. I wonder what sort of crowds City would get for games against teams like those?

The whole thing is unclear for a number of reasons , some of which are

1. The club have agreed to enter the competition without any consultation with fans. Competition matters are specifically listed as matters which the club has agreed(in writing) to consult with the Fans Advisory Board with but they haven`t done so

2. Even if the above had been done , there has still been no clarity as to whether this will be a CCFC first team contest or one for the u21s. If the former, then this will put more fixture pressure on what is a limited first team squad. If the latter, is this acceptable to the FAW?

3. The limited information given out to date indicates that there will be little or no financial benefit to CCFC from entering this cup. Any prize money from Europe goes to the FAW not the club and , as you say, fixtures against minor clubs from countries most people would have to look up on a map are hardly likely to attract decent match attendances.

4. To even get to Europe we would have to beat teams who are currently stronger than us.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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The whole thing is unclear for a number of reasons , some of which are

1. The club have agreed to enter the competition without any consultation with fans. Competition matters are specifically listed as matters which the club has agreed(in writing) to consult with the Fans Advisory Board with but they haven`t done so

2. Even if the above had been done , there has still been no clarity as to whether this will be a CCFC first team contest or one for the u21s. If the former, then this will put more fixture pressure on what is a limited first team squad. If the latter, is this acceptable to the FAW?

3. The limited information given out to date indicates that there will be little or no financial benefit to CCFC from entering this cup. Any prize money from Europe goes to the FAW not the club and , as you say, fixtures against minor clubs from countries most people would have to look up on a map are hardly likely to attract decent match attendances.

4. To even get to Europe we would have to beat teams who are currently stronger than us.

On point 2 I'm sure I read somewhere that we'd be guaranteeing fielding strong ie not u21 teams., so yes, additional fixture pressure.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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On point 2 I'm sure I read somewhere that we'd be guaranteeing fielding strong ie not u21 teams., so yes, additional fixture pressure.

"As with the criteria for the EFL Trophy, they would be required to meet player experience standards to ensure they field a strong team."

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wrexham-cardiff-swanseas-new-european-30768538

[Lord Worcester]

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We do have a chance of qualifying if we win a cup and we've been in two finals since 2008. Bolton, Fulham, Leicester, Ipswich, Norwich and the like have all tasted European football, and deserved it too.

I just don't see the point in this. It cheapens it massively and it feels a lot like cheating. What's the point in qualifying for Europe in this way?

And if it means we can't qualify via the leagues and cups what are we doing it for? To become a bigger club and get promoted and then be a second class citizen in the top flight?

It's a mess

I agree. I cannot see why we are prepared to sacrifice our chance to qualify for Europe via the league and fa cups, as far fetched as that sounds lying 23rd in the championship. Only 12 years ago the jacks actually did and the year before we were a couple of penalty kicks away from doing the same. We would not have been entering the pre-qualifying round of the conference league in July (which will become our only ever option / route) but the europa league within touching distance of the group phase. Where’s all of our ambition gone. As JW says you start to wonder what the point is!

The FAW need to look elsewhere for improved revenues IMHO

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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Barry Town saying that they were waiting for more info from the FAW and having given the idea their support yet as they're still waiting for the info.

https://x.com/BarryTownUnited/status/1878731926078365751

[Canton Kev]

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Ironically it's the Welsh clubs that highlight the futility of getting to Europe via the cups.

Cardiff were the last team outside of the top flight to reach the FA Cup final in 2008 and in 2013 Swansea were the last team to win the League Cup that wasn't one of Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool or Chelsea. In the seasons since Swansea's win, Leicester are the only team outside the big 6 to win a domestic cup.

That's just 1 final out of the previous 22. The other 21 were won by just 5 different teams. On top of that, only 6 of those 22 finals involved a non big 6 team.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Can anyone tell me what benefits, if any, the Scottish Premiership also-rans such as Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs have gained in recent years from playing numerous low-grade European games against teams from small leagues throughout the continent?

[Tuerto]

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Can anyone tell me what benefits, if any, the Scottish Premiership also-rans such as Aberdeen, Hearts and Hibs have gained in recent years from playing numerous low-grade European games against teams from small leagues throughout the continent?

I don't think that there will be much support for this amongst City fan,unless it's from a selfish point of you in terms of a trip away to another country, or they're convinced by the extra revenue raised by the FAW. There doesn't seem to be any benefit both financially and on the field of play, unless someone wants to dress it up as a way of helping our 'Youngsters' develop... It all looks like nonsense to me.

[Forgotmyoldaccount]

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It sounds fun to me.

Lets see how good a poor championship team, an average championship team and a decent league one team is vs European teams.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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I don't think that there will be much support for this amongst City fan,unless it's from a selfish point of you in terms of a trip away to another country

You say that like it's a bad thing.

You don't think it's good experience for youngsters to be playing against senior teams? It might not just be youngsters but fringe players too which would make it more like the old reserves games, which would be more use than the U21 league.