Still don't like this idea.

[The Lone Gunman]

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That’s life innit. 30 quid could get you a decent chunk of the month’s shopping done. 15,000 people tonight would rather spend that, and 4 hours of their time, sitting in the cold watching Cardiff play Watford.

Indeed (although my ticket cost half that).

I don’t know about you, but I’d much prefer the club concentrated all of its efforts on the bread and butter competitions such as the league and the FA Cup rather than pissing about with extra games in a minor Welsh cup and the lowest possible grade of European competition. However, I’ve no doubt it will please those who enjoy taking trips to the far flung corners of the continent and have the time and money to do so.

[Dave Blue]

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Indeed (although my ticket cost half that).

I don’t know about you, but I’d much prefer the club concentrated all of its efforts on the bread and butter competitions such as the league and the FA Cup rather than pissing about with extra games in a minor Welsh cup and the lowest possible grade of European competition. However, I’ve no doubt it will please those who enjoy taking trips to the far flung corners of the continent and have the time and money to do so.

Well why not? I don't know why you've included the FA Cup in 'bread and butter competitions' have you read this board after the 3rd round draw? That ship has sailed but some are deluded to think something the club has not achieved for 98 years is just over the horizon. My opinion, bring on Europe, sod the EFL they have no power to chuck us out even if they wanted to.

[Canton Kev]

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Indeed (although my ticket cost half that).

I don’t know about you, but I’d much prefer the club concentrated all of its efforts on the bread and butter competitions such as the league and the FA Cup rather than pissing about with extra games in a minor Welsh cup and the lowest possible grade of European competition. However, I’ve no doubt it will please those who enjoy taking trips to the far flung corners of the continent and have the time and money to do so.

The Welsh Cup would be, at most, 4 games. Almost certainly at least 1 of which will be against Swansea, Newport or Wrexham.

The lowest European competition still contains teams like Roma, Chelsea, Fiorentina, Real Betis, Aston Villa, Villarreal, Frankfurt, etc.

I’d rather see the likes of them playing at the CCS than MK Dons, Mansfield or Burton in the FA Cup. And considering our recent FA Cup and League Cup crowds tend to be around the 5,000 or so mark, or less, I’d argue most fans would agree.

[splott parker]

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Well why not? I don't know why you've included the FA Cup in 'bread and butter competitions' have you read this board after the 3rd round draw? That ship has sailed but some are deluded to think something the club has not achieved for 98 years is just over the horizon. My opinion, bring on Europe, sod the EFL they have no power to chuck us out even if they wanted to.

Why haven’t they got the power? Don’t know if we would be breaking any rule but being the makers of the rules, as their name suggests, one could be introduced. There’s been various financial penalties introduced over the years, so rules are reviewed. Fans of many clubs would shed no tears over the expulsion of the Welsh clubs.

[The Lone Gunman]

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The Welsh Cup would be, at most, 4 games. Almost certainly at least 1 of which will be against Swansea, Newport or Wrexham.

The lowest European competition still contains teams like Roma, Chelsea, Fiorentina, Real Betis, Aston Villa, Villarreal, Frankfurt, etc.

I’d rather see the likes of them playing at the CCS than MK Dons, Mansfield or Burton in the FA Cup. And considering our recent FA Cup and League Cup crowds tend to be around the 5,000 or so mark, or less, I’d argue most fans would agree.

The last time City played in Europe was 1993. The opponents were Standard Liege. The crowd was 6,096. There was a bigger crowd a few days before for a league game against Plymouth. And that same season 17,296 turned up for an FA Cup game against Luton.

Different world these days of course, but I suspect those who would expect the club to draw decent crowds in Europe would, on the whole, be disappointed.

[The Prophet of Doom]

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If Cardiff beat Stoke and draw Manchester United or Liverpool or Spurs in the 5th round at CCS there will be plenty of interest in the FA Cup guaranteed.

So saying there is no interest in the competition is wrong, it depends who the opponents are.

[Canton Kev]

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The last time City played in Europe was 1993. The opponents were Standard Liege. The crowd was 6,096. There was a bigger crowd a few days before for a league game against Plymouth. And that same season 17,296 turned up for an FA Cup game against Luton.

Different world these days of course, but I suspect those who would expect the club to draw decent crowds in Europe would, on the whole, be disappointed.

I think you’re omitting some important details.

We were 5-2 down from the first leg by the time Standard Liege came to Ninian Park. 6,000 fans turned up for a midweek dead rubber in a season we were averaging 6,000 in the league.

Luton was the 5th round of the cup after we knocked out Premier League Man City in the 4th round. Our Round 1 attendance in the FA Cup was 3,200. In the League Cup, 4,500.

Nearly double the amount of people turned up for a game we essentially started 3-0 down, than turned up for the first round of the FA Cup.

Now we average 20,000+ year after year and still only get 4 or 5 thousand turning up for cup games.

Different world indeed.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Still don't like this idea.

The last time City played in Europe was 1993. The opponents were Standard Liege. The crowd was 6,096. There was a bigger crowd a few days before for a league game against Plymouth. And that same season 17,296 turned up for an FA Cup game against Luton.

Different world these days of course, but I suspect those who would expect the club to draw decent crowds in Europe would, on the whole, be disappointed.

I would have thought a crowd of 6,000 would be brilliant for the U21's (who I assume many will be playing some of the early stage games) compared to the double digits they currently get?

We do not have enough details currently to say we "dislike" this idea

[Forgotmyoldaccount]

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The way I read it, We'd get money but not be able to use that money towards Financial Fair Play proceedings?

I mean it costs money just to host football games, ofcourse we'd get proceeds from home games at least. Maybe not prize money.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Now we average 20,000+ year after year and still only get 4 or 5 thousand turning up for cup games.

On the contrary, the crowd for the last FA Cup game at the CCS was 20,324.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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On the contrary, the crowd for the last FA Cup game at the CCS was 20,324.

Mind you, that was against Premier League Leeds Utd. Leeds would probably attract a reasonable crowd in the FA cup even if they were in the Championship. It was noticeable that we had nearly 6,000 more for the home league game against Leeds a year later when they were (obviously) in the Championship.

[Canton Kev]

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On the contrary, the crowd for the last FA Cup game at the CCS was 20,324.

Against Leeds, who a lot of our fans consider a “rivalry” and who brought 7,000 away fans. It’s an outlier, much like your Luton fixture from 1994.

These are all our cup ties going back to the last time we got an attendance with 5 figures in the 17/18 season. What would you suggest is an accurate generalisation of our cup attendances? 5,000 or 20,000?

20,300 (Leeds)
6,300
3,500
6,000
5,200
4,800
4,100
6,900
6,500
5,800
6,300
32,300 (Man City)