Sala case

[Coyote]

Re: Sala case

I hate this whole entire thing and I just want it to be over. I don't care if we win or lose, just get it over with, and hopefully it'll never have to be revisited.

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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I think the club would be happy to get the fee paid for Sala back. A principle is at stake here. You recall that FIFA, the EFL and the Court of Abitration for Sport all determined, before the full facts of the case were known , that the club were in the wrong. Not only did Nantes not contribute to the Sala family fund but neither did the EFL and the club were sanctioned by the various governing bodies into transfer embargoes and fee restraints and also had to pay the legal fees of those organisations threatening us with action.The Kita family that own Nantes are already under investigation by the French police for fraud, money laundering and the use of illegal agents. If the case goes the clubs way, and there is no guarantee of that, I am of a mind that Tan will take FIFA , the EFL and the Court of Arbitration for Sport to the cleaners, then hopefully we will see some justice for the Sala family!!

Living in cloud cuckoo land. He was our player and the club were happy to announce him as a Cardiff City player. Nantes using a dodgy agent (same as the one we used previously many times under Warnock) doesn’t change that. If this was truly about justice for Sala we wouldn’t be trying to get millions out of Nantes, a club that I also think have acted despicably.

The only thing that should matter here is whether criminal proceedings should be taken against certain people who set up the flight. As far as I can see this is all a civil matter regarding money so for the club to frame it as something different is embarrassing.

[TaffsWellThatEndsWell]

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Living in cloud cuckoo land. He was our player and the club were happy to announce him as a Cardiff City player. Nantes using a dodgy agent (same as the one we used previously many times under Warnock) doesn’t change that. If this was truly about justice for Sala we wouldn’t be trying to get millions out of Nantes, a club that I also think have acted despicably.

The only thing that should matter here is whether criminal proceedings should be taken against certain people who set up the flight. As far as I can see this is all a civil matter regarding money so for the club to frame it as something different is embarrassing.

Your multiple responses imply that you are determined for the club to be at fault here. Even if the club had a relationship with the McKay family prior to Sala's death, why does that matter given Willie's son is a licensed intermediary? (Not entirely relevant, but I saw that as Warnock's influence rather than anyone currently at the club). As far as I can see, the club made an effort to expel the McKay family from the club once details emerged of their involvement with the incident.

Source for the above:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/22/willy-mckay-agent-emiliano-sala-cardiff

As a more general point, I can't see that there is anything morally wrong with an organisation pursuing damages for loss of earnings. Indeed, it sounds to me that the club are the one who have dedicated money to Sala's foundation, so anything that comes from the lawsuit is more likely to do good with the club than any of the other parties involved.

Irrespective of that, the club's statement doesn't say anything about this case being truly about solely seeking justice for Sala. Even so, it's plain to see that it could have a knock on effect which builds towards that. The statement did say that Sala deserved better and that all other footballers do too, which is hard to disagree with...

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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The statement did say that Sala deserved better and that all other footballers do too, which is hard to disagree with...

I agree with this part of your post, just not convinced that is the aim.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Living in cloud cuckoo land. He was our player and the club were happy to announce him as a Cardiff City player. Nantes using a dodgy agent (same as the one we used previously many times under Warnock) doesn’t change that. If this was truly about justice for Sala we wouldn’t be trying to get millions out of Nantes, a club that I also think have acted despicably.

The only thing that should matter here is whether criminal proceedings should be taken against certain people who set up the flight. As far as I can see this is all a civil matter regarding money so for the club to frame it as something different is embarrassing.

If your money was lost, you'd want it back, too. The courts will decide who was at fault, not fans.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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It does surprise me how many holier-than-thou fans we have that are siding against the club.

[Trigger]

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Biggest mistake the club made was claiming the lad wasn't officially signed.

I don't mind them going after Nantes if they believe they were in any way involved.

The club isn't a billion pound business, it's run at a loss and employs local people directly as well indirectly through supply contracts etc, it can't afford to just write of tens of millions.

I'd have included the champ relegation in the case, for me the lack of focus and investment has come from the club having this case hanging over it.

I feel for Sala's family having to keep hearing about it but hopefully this will be the end of it all.

I'm aware the club had a minimal insurance payout and didn't someone buy some of the rights to any potential payout? As much as I want the club to get what they can I don't want this going any further. Tan probably needs to find someone else to take the club on and hopefully when this case is done that will be one of the green lights for him to do so.

The club's statement is a bit cringe, we aren't doing it for football and that's ok.

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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It does surprise me how many holier-than-thou fans we have that are siding against the club.

On the flip side it surprises me how many people blindly side with the club due to supporting them. I have supported the club for 40+ years but don’t support this and never will. I was here before the current owner and il be here long after him. This will always be looked back on as another poor saga of his ownership and in years to come people will realise they were wrong to support it.

This thread would be a completely different read if it was another club involved.

[Rjk]

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On the flip side it surprises me how many people blindly side with the club due to supporting them. I have supported the club for 40+ years but don’t support this and never will. I was here before the current owner and il be here long after him. This will always be looked back on as another poor saga of his ownership and in years to come people will realise they were wrong to support it.

This thread would be a completely different read if it was another club involved.

so anyone who doesn't agree with you is blindly siding with the club?

The way I see it is the club feel that we didn't do anything wrong, and Nantes did everything wrong, yet we are the ones who have been made to pay so far.
I totally understand the club's approach in those circumstances. Nothing to do with blindly supporting the club. And I've seen a lot of fans from a range of clubs responding favourably to the club's statement on social media.

[B. Oddie]

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Club statement just released:

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/club-statement-071225-emiliano-sala-court-hearing

Tomorrow, Nantes’ commercial court will finally hear the substance of Cardiff City Football Club’s case against FC Nantes. We want FC Nantes to be held accountable for the faults committed by Willie McKay, FC Nantes’ true agent.

This tragedy, which began nearly seven years ago, cost Emiliano Sala his life. It is a tragedy that could and should have been avoided, had the people involved in the transfer on FC Nantes’ side not relied on the services of a banned agent, who went on to organise illegal flights to get the deal done.

On the eve of the hearing, however, there is hope. The hearing marks another step towards uncovering the truth and establishing more accountability in football.

This case isn’t about harming football: it’s about protecting its integrity. This is about ensuring higher standards across our sport, especially surrounding transfers.

Because Emiliano Sala deserved better. Because football deserves better.

Very ill advised.

Neither club will come out of this with any integrity; City especially.

I feel desperately sorry for Sala's family.

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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so anyone who doesn't agree with you is blindly siding with the club?

The way I see it is the club feel that we didn't do anything wrong, and Nantes did everything wrong, yet we are the ones who have been made to pay so far.
I totally understand the club's approach in those circumstances. Nothing to do with blindly supporting the club. And I've seen a lot of fans from a range of clubs responding favourably to the club's statement on social media.

Both clubs have acted poorly, we’re trying to expose a loophole of Nantes employing an agent whilst banned to get out of us paying for our player. If it was criminal proceedings to make someone liable for the death then I would be fully invested in us pursuing it. Instead, it is a civil case where we are chasing money behind the facade of it being for Emiliano’s honour. A young man lost his life nearly 7 years ago and this is still going on, it’s despicable.

Look at your post. “We didn’t do anything wrong, Nantes did everything wrong” Utter point scoring rubbish over a young man that lost his life. Should be embarrassed

[notchjohnson]

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And the very substantial trust fund the club and owner set up for the Sala family soon after the tragedy occurred? Was that a sign of " couldn`t care less"? The same fund that FC Nantes refused to contribute to?

spot on

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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Very ill advised.

Neither club will come out of this with any integrity; City especially.

I feel desperately sorry for Sala's family.

Great post, fully agree

[City123]

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Both clubs have acted poorly, we’re trying to expose a loophole of Nantes employing an agent whilst banned to get out of us paying for our player. If it was criminal proceedings to make someone liable for the death then I would be fully invested in us pursuing it. Instead, it is a civil case where we are chasing money behind the facade of it being for Emiliano’s honour. A young man lost his life nearly 7 years ago and this is still going on, it’s despicable.

Look at your post. “We didn’t do anything wrong, Nantes did everything wrong” Utter point scoring rubbish over a young man that lost his life. Should be embarrassed

They're just saying that's probably how the club sees it. I don't think its "blindly supporting the club" to understand why they may feel aggrieved

I want this all to be over and wish the clubs could have come to some kind of arrangement years ago, but that hasn't happened

One thing I would point out is that none of us really know the ins and outs of what's really going/what's been previously proposed outside of what little ends up in the headlines and we probably won't know for a good few years

[Rjk]

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Both clubs have acted poorly, we’re trying to expose a loophole of Nantes employing an agent whilst banned to get out of us paying for our player. If it was criminal proceedings to make someone liable for the death then I would be fully invested in us pursuing it. Instead, it is a civil case where we are chasing money behind the facade of it being for Emiliano’s honour. A young man lost his life nearly 7 years ago and this is still going on, it’s despicable.

Look at your post. “We didn’t do anything wrong, Nantes did everything wrong” Utter point scoring rubbish over a young man that lost his life. Should be embarrassed

I'm not point scoring anything - I'm just explaining what I understand the club's rationale for pursuing this is.

I'm not sure why you think I should be embarrassed about that.