Immigration and The NHS

[Vindec]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

Thats incorrect

The government make recommendations to the pay body

The pay body make suggestions to the government

The government , Boris and his chancellor , then deciede

The Pay body makes recommendations to the government not the other way around but the final decision rests with the government which regularly ignores the results of the pay body. The only time I can recall the government accepting a pay body's recommendations is in relation to MPs pay.

[Feedback]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

The Pay body makes recommendations to the government not the other way around but the final decision rests with the government which regularly ignores the results of the pay body. The only time I can recall the government accepting a pay body's recommendations is in relation to MPs pay.

you can only begin to imagine how shocked I am to hear this

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

It's more than a thought - it's immoral. A poor country training doctors and nurses only be poached by the NHS is wrong. It shouldn't happen and is a failure of successive governments in training UK staff.

If you could move to another country and get paid more for doing the same job, would you?

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

As it happens this is a subject I know something about. In recent years the quality of medical staff coming from abroad was excellent. Now it's less so in some cases. Hospital Trusts increasingly use Agencies to recruit staff particularly from Africa, India and the Phillipines. Before an applicant gets accepted they have to sit an English exam. Those coming from most Malaysian countries are generally excellent. The problem in some cases is that when the new recruits arrive at their allotted NHS Trust many can't speak English suggesting that others are taking the exam for them. The upshot is that Hospital Trusts have to send the new recruits for English lessons. The same goes for technical competence where the new staff require a lot of supervision, have little idea how to handle patients leading to the suspicion their qualifications maybe as suspect as their English tests. I think this issue was touched upon very subtly by an earlier poster.


I emphasis that this is a relatively recent problem as up to fairly recent times the calibre of recruits was good and evidently the NHS couldn't survive without them.

The massive push to recruit staff is the issue here. The present government's desire to recruit 50000 nurses means that their recruitment standards have lowered. Had the government trained its own staff this issue would not have arisen. Their decision to cease bursaries a couple of years back hasn't helped and they have now reinstated them but too late.

However, as a general point and notwithstanding what is said above, it doesn't seem morally right for the UK to poach staff from countries whose need for medical staff is probably greater than ours.

Instead of going through the whole process, couldn't they just have a video interview with each person before they sit their exam? A short conversation in English to weed out all the dodgy applicants. Wouldn't cost anything and would save on lessons..

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Re: Immigration and The NHS

If you could move to another country and get paid more for doing the same job, would you?

Happens all the time with professionals going to the middle East for example

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

Happens all the time with professionals going to the middle East for example

Exactly. I don't see how it's immoral.

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Re: Immigration and The NHS

3 percent then!!!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

3 percent then!!!

They know to have offered anything less wo

uld have been explosive

Although some people think they should be grateful of having a job and stop complaining

Which is ironic considering they possibly saved the lives of these people or their loved ones

That's how tories think

Vermin

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

They know to have offered anything less wo

uld have been explosive

Although some people think they should be grateful of having a job and stop complaining

Which is ironic considering they possibly saved the lives of these people or their loved ones

That's how tories think

Vermin

Steady on Major !

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

They know to have offered anything less wo

uld have been explosive

Although some people think they should be grateful of having a job and stop complaining

Which is ironic considering they possibly saved the lives of these people or their loved ones

That's how tories think

Vermin

Keeping on.

Christ.

Id love for them to get a fair wage, but when does less tax more wages for the people who want it etc come to a head?

****ing hell. They get a wage increase. Know a few young ladies working in the health system, none of which yet moan about pay.. Must come with age.

[adz-a32]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

Instead of going through the whole process, couldn't they just have a video interview with each person before they sit their exam? A short conversation in English to weed out all the dodgy applicants. Wouldn't cost anything and would save on lessons..

They do a second exam which is like an oral exam, so they ask questions about stuff like safeguarding, slang etc and have a practical element too

[adz-a32]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

If you could move to another country and get paid more for doing the same job, would you?

Yeah and not only that but there are other factors such as respect/safety from violent patients

[LeningradCowboy]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

They know to have offered anything less wo

uld have been explosive

Although some people think they should be grateful of having a job and stop complaining

Which is ironic considering they possibly saved the lives of these people or their loved ones

That's how tories think

Vermin

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-57915990

All NHS staff in Wales will be offered a 3% pay rise by the Welsh government.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

Keeping on.

Christ.

Id love for them to get a fair wage, but when does less tax more wages for the people who want it etc come to a head?

****ing hell. They get a wage increase. Know a few young ladies working in the health system, none of which yet moan about pay.. Must come with age.

Of course you do, I know that you know several nurses etc that work in the health system that would happily do it for free

I believe you

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Immigration and The NHS

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-politics-57915990

All NHS staff in Wales will be offered a 3% pay rise by the Welsh government.

Thank christ for that or they would have been lynched too and rightly so