Frightening.

[Rjk]

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Humans are NOT affecting Climate Change......Cows farting emit more damage to the atmosphere.....

humans are having a big effect on the climate. you clearly haven't understood the science.

and who do you think is to blame for all the cows?

[Croesy Blue]

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It's Bo**ocks quite honestly. Temperatures have fluctuated throughout millenia.....

I think it was last January some time, and there had been extremely cold weather in the eastern USA, and the scientists said it was a knock-on effect of climate change. So if it's cold it's climate change, if it's windy it's climate change. If it's hot it's climate change. If it's wet -or dry- it's climate change.
China is building/financing 100's of coal-fired plants across the globe, whilst Boris is telling us to rip out boilers and scrap our cars, just for the sake of politics.

I can’t believe we are this far into it with so much evidence and people are still this ignorant to the facts. If you want to bury your heads in the sand fair enough but there is more than enough evidence that it’s happening and that it’s man made.

They stopped calling it global warming and started calling it climate change because some people couldn’t grasp that temperatures rising can lead to extreme weathers of all types. Yet there are two people in this thread still saying things like this.

[Croesy Blue]

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I don't think many people will doubt the planet temperature is increasing slightly....but the point is that it has ALWAYS done so...and has ALWAYS regulated itself over time......Gaia Earth will right itself and continue regardless of what pissing restrictions are put in place in modern societies.
It is N OT caused by humans, but by natural evolution of the planet.

This couldn’t be more wrong and not only has it been proven there is a bucket load of evidence out there. I find this board exhausting to read these days because of how ignorant people are of genuine facts.

You would think Maurice and Monkfish would be a bit more humble after how wrong they were about covid but it appears ignorance is still bliss.

[IanD]

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Tundra melting will continue to release methane into the atmosphere....a far more potential driver of climate change. Which in turn accelerates the rate at which tundra melts. Not good.

[the other bob wilson]

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I suppose it’s impressive in a weird way how the same people who spoke with such certainty on here about Covid (a decease that was only recognised a few months earlier) eighteen months ago and we’re consistently proved to be completely and utterly wrong can be so utterly certain that global warming is not a problem despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

[Maurice Swan]

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and that it’s man made. ....NO - that is NOT proven in any way.


and...wrong about Covid???

[IanD]

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Addendum:
What these scientists have failed to tell the world today is that Human CO2 makes up less than 1% of the 3.6% of the total greenhouse gases influencing our climate. The scientists have also chosen to look at just a 100 or so years of data to support their case that Humans are to blame for climate change. If you look at a broader period then from 1000AD to 1350AD the world went through a Warm Period called the Medieval Warm Period and then from about 1350AD to 1900AD the world went through a cold period. This period was know as the Little Ice Age and the Vikings who had settled in Iceland abandoned their settlement. In 1576AD - 1610AD Frobisher, Hudson, Bylot, & Foxe probed the Arctic regions West of Greenland but couldn't penetrate the Ice no further than Hudson Bay. The world left the Colder/Little Ice Age period about 1900 and whilst the temperature has been slowly increasing it is still considerably lower than the Medieval Warm Period.

Um....climate change scientists have not chosen the last hundred years. Its just that the last hundred years (or so) provides direct measurement of climate change indicators.....which prove anthropogenic climate change on top of natural climate change. Cold spells can be partly attributed to volcanic activity. And, of course, climate does vary naturally. The analysis of lacustrine varves, ice cores and dendorochronology show how climate change over thousands of years has seen warmer and colder spells. It's the climate warming leading to extreme weather events in the last few decades that are attributable to human-induced climate change. Changes which will continue to be exacerbated by human action for decades to come.

[Maurice Swan]

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"utterly certain that global warming is not a problem"...no-one is saying it is not a problem....just the cause of the problem.....

[Trigger]

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From this thread alone you can see how doomed we are.

Proper change won't happen until its far too late. We are conditioned to kick things down the line, only when things directly effect us do most people take action that is costly or inconvenient.

How do you convince developing nations in particular to make these changes, not necessarily for themselves but certainly for future generations.

Yet when something like covid happens that directly effects us now, we can shut down economies, launch billions at a problem and within a very short period of time have solutions.

[Maurice Swan]

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"attributable to human-induced climate change."
where is the PROOF for that as opposed to natural earth changes?
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[Croesy Blue]

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Plenty of proof it’s man made, you only have to look at any climate graphs as well even without the actual evidence:

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

https://www.wwf.org.uk/updates/10-myths-about-climate-change

https://science.anu.edu.au/news-events/news/how-we-discovered-climate-problem

https://www.edf.org/climate/9-ways-we-know-humans-triggered-climate-change

All backed up by genuine peer reviewed evidence too.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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I think that some people seem to think that mask wearing, Climate change etc, is a Leftist agenda, another way of authority telling 'us' what is right for us. Some people seem to think that they can do whatever the want, without restriction or consideration for others. We have experienced that sentiment politically for some time.

Agreed, it is very difficult to put into words the way that politicians have manipulated the population over the last 10 years. Some of the manipulated will argue that they are "breaking away" from main-stream media and "thinking for themselves", as if that means they haven't been manipulated.

In all honesty, there are too many of us walking, driving, flying on this planet. It's also a bit rich for developed countries to dictate to developing countries. I don't have any figures, but I would be amazed if China's Carbon emissions per person since 1880 exceeded the USA's or UK's carbon emissions per person since 1880.

[Croesy Blue]

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"attributable to human-induced climate change."
where is the PROOF for that as opposed to natural earth changes?
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I would say do your own research but it’s so easy to find, it’s also the most basic easy to understand evidence possible too, do people just choose not to believe it because of how scary the consequences are?

https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming.htm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-temperatures-idUSKCN1QE1ZU

https://www.nytimes.com/article/climate-change-global-warming-faq.html

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-earths-climate-changes-naturally-and-why-things-are-different-now-20200721/

Obviously these are all easily digestible versions of it but it’s all backed up by genuine research. I wrote my thesis on climate change too and I can’t believe people still ignore all the evidence.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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From this thread alone you can see how doomed we are.

Proper change won't happen until its far too late. We are conditioned to kick things down the line, only when things directly effect us do most people take action that is costly or inconvenient.

How do you convince developing nations in particular to make these changes, not necessarily for themselves but certainly for future generations.

Yet when something like covid happens that directly effects us now, we can shut down economies, launch billions at a problem and within a very short period of time have solutions.

Agreed. Governments will only act when they actually see climate change impacting voters. And, despite all the platitudes of the environment minister, Johnson isn't going to be doing much because it's outside his career path.

One comparison may be Y2K. I worked on many Y2K projects, the first one started in February 1999 and the last one ended on December 30th 1999. Y2K was a known issue for many years before that, but was only looked at at the last minute.

[the other bob wilson]

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"utterly certain that global warming is not a problem"...no-one is saying it is not a problem....just the cause of the problem.....

You said it was all bollox earlier in thread