Frightening.

[Rjk]

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Does anyone actually know when the most damage is or has been done? Was it 70/100 years ago in the industrial coal age or more recent time with air travel/cars etc? I get the impression that even if we did reduce all carbon emissions right now it would still take 30-50 years to get better and they don’t really know if it will get better anyway, how can they as it’s never been recorded before?
Still, time to build that barrage from cardiff to Bristol and keep the water out whilst running all our houses from it……

Some things will get better in that kind of time frame - other problems like ocean acidification would take 100s of years to return to pre industrial levels apparently.

[B. Oddie]

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Climate change = fact
How to respond to this fact = political. Ideally, we'd all be on the same side on this one but we know that...

In run up to Mayor of London election prominent Tory and billionaire hedge fund manager Sir Michael Hintze donated the following to Mr Johnson:
- £2,000 in December 2007
- £2,000 in February 2008
- £1,000 in March 2008.

Sir Michael, (who is prominent Tory party doner) is the financial backer of the climate science denial group the Global Warming Policy Foundation.

Let's fast forward to December 2010 when BJ wrote this article for the Telegraph. In it he promoted the work of well know climate change denier Piers Corbyn.

... thread continues: https://twitter.com/WillHayCardiff/s...99022867156992

We won't see over a hundred thousand dead from climate change in a year and therefore this gradual but awful process is less of a vote loser. Sadly, as poor as the UK is on it there are other nations doing their best to be much, much worse.

Great post mate.

[Rjk]

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An interesting graph:

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One of the most frightening things is the way in which this warming period is different from the previous ones.

In the historical warming period there would have been some kind of external factor like increased solar activity or something that would have warmed the earth into releasing a lot more carbon into the atmosphere, which then continued the warming a long time after the initial stimulus for it had ended.
In all previous warmings the increase in atmospheric carbon happens after the initial warming.

In this warming it is the atmospheric carbon that we have pumped into the atmosphere that is causing the initial warming, and this in turn will trigger the even more warming that occurs when other sources of atmospheric carbon are released. It is already happening, and it may be impossible to avoid now.
You can roughly calculate the amount of carbon released to the atmosphere from human activities and you can measure the amount of excess carbon in the atmosphere causing the warming and the amounts stack up really well.

[NYCBlue]

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Humans are NOT affecting Climate Change......Cows farting emit more damage to the atmosphere.....

And why are there so many cows?

[RonnieBird]

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I always think that a person’s belief about climate change is a good rough litmus test about their IQ and education.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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One of the most frightening things is the way in which this warming period is different from the previous ones.

In the historical warming period there would have been some kind of external factor like increased solar activity or something that would have warmed the earth into releasing a lot more carbon into the atmosphere, which then continued the warming a long time after the initial stimulus for it had ended.
In all previous warmings the increase in atmospheric carbon happens after the initial warming.

In this warming it is the atmospheric carbon that we have pumped into the atmosphere that is causing the initial warming, and this in turn will trigger the even more warming that occurs when other sources of atmospheric carbon are released. It is already happening, and it may be impossible to avoid now.
You can roughly calculate the amount of carbon released to the atmosphere from human activities and you can measure the amount of excess carbon in the atmosphere causing the warming and the amounts stack up really well.

So, things could possibly get worse if we seee increased solar activity? Maybe we need a Carrington event to bring us to a stop.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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I always think that a person’s belief about climate change is a good rough litmus test about their IQ and education.

In what way?

[the other bob wilson]

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An interesting graph:

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Another interesting graph on this page which shows that global temperatures fell during the medieval warm period and that the temperature rise since the industrial revolution is like nothing the planet has experienced since BC became AD.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period

[lardy]

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An interesting graph:

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Humans have been around for about half a pixel of that graph.

[xsnaggle]

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Human farmers or the other sort?

:hehe::hehe:

[Forest Green Bluebird]

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Addendum:
What these scientists have failed to tell the world today is that Human CO2 makes up less than 1% of the 3.6% of the total greenhouse gases influencing our climate. The scientists have also chosen to look at just a 100 or so years of data to support their case that Humans are to blame for climate change. If you look at a broader period then from 1000AD to 1350AD the world went through a Warm Period called the Medieval Warm Period and then from about 1350AD to 1900AD the world went through a cold period. This period was know as the Little Ice Age and the Vikings who had settled in Iceland abandoned their settlement. In 1576AD - 1610AD Frobisher, Hudson, Bylot, & Foxe probed the Arctic regions West of Greenland but couldn't penetrate the Ice no further than Hudson Bay. The world left the Colder/Little Ice Age period about 1900 and whilst the temperature has been slowly increasing it is still considerably lower than the Medieval Warm Period.

winter.jpg

[Dorcus]

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I suppose it’s impressive in a weird way how the same people who spoke with such certainty on here about Covid (a decease that was only recognised a few months earlier) eighteen months ago and we’re consistently proved to be completely and utterly wrong can be so utterly certain that global warming is not a problem despite all of the evidence to the contrary.

And it seems they also all supported Brexit; there's a pattern developing here surely?

[Forest Green Bluebird]

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I always think that a person’s belief about climate change is a good rough litmus test about their IQ and education.

There are facts that are cannot be ignored.
Some people wrongly interpret opinions as facts.
Some opinions, yet to be backed up by facts, could eventually be true.

I have followed this thread and have weighed up the polarized arguments.

Introducing the notion of IQ (or lack of it) to a particular side of a debate is not helpful.

[Dorcus]

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I always think that a person’s belief about climate change is a good rough litmus test about their IQ and education.

Totally agree Sir Jim, how anyone can deny human implication in this impending catastrophe is beyond me.

[PhyllisStant]

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And why are there so many cows?

Yeah it's not just the cows, all those sentient cars and factories throw out loads of pollution too. Why are we blaming humans for everything. :hehe: