M25 Blocked in Both Directions

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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If we were a reasonable, common sense species there wouldn't be this problem with the climate. It's been flagged up for decades and barely anything has changed; in fact, the fuel industries have worked hard to shut dissenters up. Most often, disruption is the only way. You might disagree with the details but that's how we are.

[JamesWales]

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If we were a reasonable, common sense species there wouldn't be this problem with the climate. It's been flagged up for decades and barely anything has changed; in fact, the fuel industries have worked hard to shut dissenters up. Most often, disruption is the only way. You might disagree with the details but that's how we are.

Except the UK has done better than most other countries in decarbonising and in terms of renewal energy production, particularly wind energy.

It's the narcissistic fanaticism of it, and disregard for other opinions. It will achieve nothing. They are better off encouraging a boycott of Chinese (and other high carbon country) products if they want to be radical.

There will always be more to do and always causes people care about but you cant just decide you want to disrupt everyones lives because of it.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Except the UK has done better than most other countries in decarbonising and in terms of renewal energy production, particularly wind energy.

It's the narcissistic fanaticism of it, and disregard for other opinions. It will achieve nothing. They are better off encouraging a boycott of Chinese (and other high carbon country) products if they want to be radical.

There will always be more to do and always causes people care about but you cant just decide you want to disrupt everyones lives because of it.

You might want to let governments know this because I find they're the biggest disruptors of lives and always have been.
Brexit has been a bigger disruption to more businesses and lives than a pathetic protest on the M25. Just sayin'.

[JamesWales]

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You might want to let governments know this because I find they're the biggest disruptors of lives and always have been.
Brexit has been a bigger disruption to more businesses and lives than a pathetic protest on the M25. Just sayin'.

I think you are comparing apples with aeroplanes.

We left the EU because we had a referendum and more people voted leave than voted remain. Other countries outside the EU include; Japan, USA, Switzerland, Norway, New Zealand, South Korea, Canada, Australia, Iceland etc. All government policy disrupts and changes things; that's their job. The difference is governments are voted in. It's called democracy.

It's not comparable to a bunch of people deciding to stop traffic and disrupt peoples lives because they feel like it. It's not on and if you think it's okay for people to wander into the M25 whenever they care about something then I 100% disagree with you.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I think you are comparing apples with aeroplanes.

We left the EU because we had a referendum and more people voted leave than voted remain. Other countries outside the EU include; Japan, USA, Switzerland, Norway, New Zealand, South Korea, Canada, Australia, Iceland etc. All government policy disrupts and changes things; that's their job. The difference is governments are voted in. It's called democracy.

It's not comparable to a bunch of people deciding to stop traffic and disrupt peoples lives because they feel like it. It's not on and if you think it's okay for people to wander into the M25 whenever they care about something then I 100% disagree with you.

You sound like you live in Tunbridge Wells and still use blotting paper. You’d have called Mandela, King and Ghandi narcissists for protesting about things they cared about. The same things were said about their protests too. You should be glad there are people out there doing something. Voting has got us nowhere. There are a lot of us who think like this.
What good is democracy when all you vote in are liars and corruption?

[JamesWales]

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You sound like you live in Tunbridge Wells and still use blotting paper. You’d have called Mandela, King and Ghandi narcissists for protesting about things they cared about. The same things were said about their protests too. You should be glad there are people out there doing something. Voting has got us nowhere. There are a lot of us who think like this.
What good is democracy when all you vote in are liars and corruption?

Nonsense on numerous levels. You sound like a fanatic and pretty selfish too. Good luck blocking the M4 then mate. Not sure that tin foil hat will protect you from traffic. There are ways and means of protesting and this isn't it, not least because it damages what is an important cause and clearly there is total disregard for anyone caught up in it.

Incidentally, UK carbon emissions have dramatically fallen in the last two decades and we are well above most countries in the use of clean energy.

So quite clearly voting is getting us somewhere in this regard so your post is wrong on almost every level.

[stan butler]

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Fox hunting ?

Fox hunters are cnnts of the highrest order

[stan butler]

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https://amp-lbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject...speed-lanes%2F

Blocked by protestors.

Lorries should be allowed to just drive over these scum and whoever else fancies driving over them.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Lorries should be allowed to just drive over these scum and whoever else fancies driving over them.

Why are they scum, Stan?

[stan butler]

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Why are they scum, Stan?

Because they are and what they are doing.
Run over the scum

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Nonsense on numerous levels. You sound like a fanatic and pretty selfish too. Good luck blocking the M4 then mate. Not sure that tin foil hat will protect you from traffic. There are ways and means of protesting and this isn't it, not least because it damages what is an important cause and clearly there is total disregard for anyone caught up in it.

Incidentally, UK carbon emissions have dramatically fallen in the last two decades and we are well above most countries in the use of clean energy.

So quite clearly voting is getting us somewhere in this regard so your post is wrong on almost every level.

Exactly the same arguments used against Mandela, King, Ghandi. I’ve been listening to people like you for decades. If your way of doing things is the right one, then wouldn’t the environment be in a better place now? We knew all about the extinction event on the horizon decades ago?

Your way of doing things hasn’t worked……mate.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Because they are and what they are doing.
Run over the scum

OK. Make sure you recycle today’s copy of The Sun.

[stan butler]

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OK. Make sure you recycle today’s copy of The Sun.

Bore off tree hugger. Next week you and the follow like sheep turds will be protesting about something else..
Any protesters that are arrested or identified and are claiming should have any benefits or student money stopped and told find a job..

[JamesWales]

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Exactly the same arguments used against Mandela, King, Ghandi. I’ve been listening to people like you for decades. If your way of doing things is the right one, then wouldn’t the environment be in a better place now? We knew all about the extinction event on the horizon decades ago?

Your way of doing things hasn’t worked……mate.

Ghandi and Mandela were fighting against undemocratic governments; in Mandelas case against a racist government who kept people as second class citizens.

Martin Luther King was protesting against a system that treated people differently because of their race.

To compare that to Tarquin, Esme and Talulah blocking the M4 because of their radical beliefs in respect of climate change (when our country has made substantial positive moves in recent years and is far far better at this than others) is narcissistic and unreasonable.

Climate change is a critical topic, but you have to take people with you. This kind of action may work well with the Socialist Worker crowd, but in the real world it pisses people off, causes great disruption and turns people against the cause.

Personally I think the principle of properly insulating homes is absolutely critical; it helps us use less energy and theoretically saves consumers money too.

The issue is the way they go about it in a selfish way and also the way they ignore the progress made.

As stated; if they want to make a big difference then argue against imports from China, protest at the Chinese or Indian embasssy, support a home-grown agricultural sectors.

There is loads to do without f*****g over ordinary folk trying to live their lives.

[stan butler]

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Ghandi and Mandela were fighting against undemocratic governments; in Mandelas case against a racist government who kept people as second class citizens.

Martin Luther King was protesting against a system that treated people differently because of their race.

To compare that to Tarquin, Esme and Talulah blocking the M4 because of their radical beliefs in respect of climate change (when our country has made substantial positive moves in recent years and is far far better at this than others) is narcissistic and unreasonable.

Climate change is a critical topic, but you have to take people with you. This kind of action may work well with the Socialist Worker crowd, but in the real world it pisses people off, causes great disruption and turns people against the cause.

Personally I think the principle of properly insulating homes is absolutely critical; it helps us use less energy and theoretically saves consumers money too.

The issue is the way they go about it in a selfish way and also the way they ignore the progress made.

As stated; if they want to make a big difference then argue against imports from China, protest at the Chinese or Indian embasssy, support a home-grown agricultural sectors.

There is loads to do without f*****g over ordinary folk trying to live their lives.

Well said that man