M25 Blocked in Both Directions

[the other bob wilson]

Re: M25 Blocked in Both Directions

I presume a few on this thread think Emily Davison isn't a hero too. She was lambasted at the time.

Don’t you know by now that the boomer generation clearly knows best? The evidence is all around you.

[Hilts]

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I presume a few on this thread think Emily Davison isn't a hero too. She was lambasted at the time.

Walking onto a racecourse in front fast travelling thoroughbread horses is not something a protestor should do. There could have been more fatalities or severe injuries.

Emily Davison sadly died for a cause no one could disagree with but she may have been judged differently if shes survived but some jockeys and horses killed.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Walking onto a racecourse in front fast travelling thoroughbread horses is not something a protestor should do. There could have been more fatalities or severe injuries.

Emily Davison sadly died for a cause no one could disagree with but she may have been judged differently if shes survived but some jockeys and horses killed.

I think you've just managed to take this thread to a new level. I can just imagine Bill Baily reading your post out in one of his stand-up routines.

I've read some bollox on here and you've had some tough competition so to be fair, well done.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Walking onto a racecourse in front fast travelling thoroughbread horses is not something a protestor should do. There could have been more fatalities or severe injuries.

Emily Davison sadly died for a cause no one could disagree with but she may have been judged differently if shes survived but some jockeys and horses killed.

Just to post something in true CCMB style (by some) it would go along the lines of....

The stupid b*tch deserved it.

[Hilts]

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Just to post something in true CCMB style (by some) it would go along the lines of....

The stupid b*tch deserved it.

Of course she didnt deserve it. What happened was clearly tragic and I clearly havent expressed myself well.

Escalating protests where you are putting peoples lives at serious risk is not the way to go about it.

Theres one thing causing a severe disruption in peoples lives put putting lives at severe risk isnt the way to go about it.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Of course she didnt deserve it. What happened was clearly tragic and I clearly havent expressed myself well.

Escalating protests where you are putting peoples lives at serious risk is not the way to go about it.

Theres one thing causing a severe disruption in peoples lives put putting lives at severe risk isnt the way to go about it.

The sad truth is that this is exactly what governments and corporations and apathy are doing to millions of people every day.

Try not to think in such narrow terms. It's a trap we're programmed to fall into. Have a read about Cognitive Dissonance.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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Drivers should be free to give them a good kicking. They won't do it again, the drivers will feel a tonne better and police time won't be wasted. It's a win win in my books.

There have been floods washing out the roads in Spain recently. Should drivers be free to give the floods a good kicking? The floods won't do it again, the drivers will feel a tonne wetter and police time won't be wasted (unless they use those roads to answer a call).

[JamesWales]

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I presume a few on this thread think Emily Davison isn't a hero too. She was lambasted at the time.

Sorry, for me, this is another example of a slight absence of logic or reason.

You cannot make any assumptions from someone's opposition to people blocking the M25 in relation to climate change in 2021 to someone else throwing themselves in front of a horse in 1913 about votes for women.

There have been thousands of illegal protests around the world; some may be just, some weren't. Time will tell.

By your logic, no one can call for Mick McCarthy to be sacked, because people used to call for Alex Ferguson to be sacked a year into his tenancy. Or no one can protest a war in 2021 because people also protested going to war against Nazi Germany, and they were wrong to do so. You just can't make assumptions and you can't easily compare two totally different scenarios.

It's different scenarios, so you are presenting a strawman argument.

No one is saying that votes for women wasn't critical and a wholly just movement. The point there is that there were no democratic means to protest. Women literally could not vote. They couldnt enact change by democratic means.

However, climate change activists can vote. They can protest, they can lobby and they can (and do!) enact change, as no doubt they have helped make the UK one of the most rapidly decarboning countries in the world.

You can support the message (or not!) and not support the means. There's dozens of examples of that. I support trans rights for example, but I don't support harassing Labour MPs about it. I support a two-state solution in Palestine/Israel, but I don't support hounding jews. I support insulating British homes, but I don't support people blocking roads they have no right to do.

[Bald Barry Bastad]

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There have been floods washing out the roads in Spain recently. Should drivers be free to give the floods a good kicking? The floods won't do it again, the drivers will feel a tonne wetter and police time won't be wasted (unless they use those roads to answer a call).

Huh? Are you comparing floods to people LOL

[delmbox]

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Huh? Are you comparing floods to people LOL

it's no more ridiculous than you saying that hundreds of drivers should be allowed to get out of their cars and give some protesters a good kicking before getting back in their cars and carrying on their journey

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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Huh? Are you comparing floods to people LOL

I was just wondering about your methods of disruption control, cos there are plenty of them out there and will be more coming. The increased ferocity and frequency of environmental disasters have been brought about by our decision to pump toxic shite into the air. Should we give ourselves a good kicking? How about dragging people from their cars while they idle outside schools? What should we do with those planning airport expansions? (Apart from give them knighthoods).

[az city]

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Of course she didnt deserve it. What happened was clearly tragic and I clearly havent expressed myself well.

Escalating protests where you are putting peoples lives at serious risk is not the way to go about it.

Theres one thing causing a severe disruption in peoples lives put putting lives at severe risk isnt the way to go about it.

But climate change is an existential crisis.

[az city]

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Sorry, for me, this is another example of a slight absence of logic or reason.

You cannot make any assumptions from someone's opposition to people blocking the M25 in relation to climate change in 2021 to someone else throwing themselves in front of a horse in 1913 about votes for women.

There have been thousands of illegal protests around the world; some may be just, some weren't. Time will tell.

By your logic, no one can call for Mick McCarthy to be sacked, because people used to call for Alex Ferguson to be sacked a year into his tenancy. Or no one can protest a war in 2021 because people also protested going to war against Nazi Germany, and they were wrong to do so. You just can't make assumptions and you can't easily compare two totally different scenarios.

It's different scenarios, so you are presenting a strawman argument.

No one is saying that votes for women wasn't critical and a wholly just movement. The point there is that there were no democratic means to protest. Women literally could not vote. They couldnt enact change by democratic means.

However, climate change activists can vote. They can protest, they can lobby and they can (and do!) enact change, as no doubt they have helped make the UK one of the most rapidly decarboning countries in the world.

You can support the message (or not!) and not support the means. There's dozens of examples of that. I support trans rights for example, but I don't support harassing Labour MPs about it. I support a two-state solution in Palestine/Israel, but I don't support hounding jews. I support insulating British homes, but I don't support people blocking roads they have no right to do.

You're drawing the incorrect inference from my post.

Clearly at the time it wasn't universally regarded as just otherwise there would have been universal suffrage.

You do realize the Earth is in danger? As in, all humans will go down with it too.

[Bald Barry Bastad]

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I was just wondering about your methods of disruption control, cos there are plenty of them out there and will be more coming. The increased ferocity and frequency of environmental disasters have been brought about by our decision to pump toxic shite into the air. Should we give ourselves a good kicking? How about dragging people from their cars while they idle outside schools? What should we do with those planning airport expansions? (Apart from give them knighthoods).

There's ways and means to protest but holding up people going to work, small businesses trying to survive, emergency vehicles etc etc is not one of them so yes a good kicking is what they deserve.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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There's ways and means to protest but holding up people going to work, small businesses trying to survive, emergency vehicles etc etc is not one of them so yes a good kicking is what they deserve.

I'm not sure how many emergency vehicles would use the motorway.

You have to be consistent though - what about all the other lives disrupted by climate change? All the deaths, illness, displacement and failed crops. We could've done something about all this decades ago but chose not to. Would you give a kicking to an oil company exec who hushed up the impact of climate breakdown?