Why wouldn’t Asylum Seekers….

[JamesWales]

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He’s never going to get it, not worth engaging him. You’ve got the whole thing spot on

No, believe me, I get it. I understand what you are saying. I just disagree with it.

The world doesn't exist in a manner where you possess all that is righteous and you sit on a throne for others to catch up.

I just think you are wrong, I think you adopt a sectarian and divisive approach that will make race relations worse and not improve the lives or outcomes of black people. I think you are ignoring the real issues to make slogans that wont make a jot of difference and may make things worse.

There is nothing new in your stance. Northern Ireland was full of it in the 1960s, 70s and 80s until people realised a cross-community approach that preached unity was the best solution.

Provide some evidence and you may get somewhere.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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More made up stuff and insults and ridiculous unsubstantiated and irrelevant claims there. I admire your consistency

You remind of Squealer from George Orwell's Animal Farm a little bit

I would also remind you that you strongly advocated electing a Prime Minister that 85% of British Jews considered to be an anti-semite, so forgive me for listening to, but being wary of adopting your approach to all this.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/more-t...mitic-1.469654

I am no fan of corbyn

The all lives matter lot , who u are siding with , are a bunch of swivel eyed racists

Carry on digging that grave

But if he's anti semitic then Boris is a goose stepping lunatic

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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No, believe me, I get it. I understand what you are saying. I just disagree with it.

The world doesn't exist in a manner where you possess all that is righteous and you sit on a throne for others to catch up.

I just think you are wrong, I think you adopt a sectarian and divisive approach that will make race relations worse and not improve the lives or outcomes of black people. I think you are ignoring the real issues to make slogans that wont make a jot of difference and may make things worse.

There is nothing new in your stance. Northern Ireland was full of it in the 1960s, 70s and 80s until people realised a cross-community approach that preached unity was the best solution.

Provide some evidence and you may get somewhere.

A Libertarian Speaks !

Nobody is listening

[JamesWales]

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A Libertarian Speaks !

Nobody is listening

Some people never do, eh!

Bit disappointed you didnt make a smutty remark when I mentioned Animal Farm earlier too btw.

[Croesy Blue]

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A Libertarian Speaks !

Nobody is listening

The whole point of Black Lives Matter is to erase the “sectarianism” that exists in society through racism.

[JamesWales]

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The whole point of Black Lives Matter is to erase the “sectarianism” that exists in society through racism.

I don't think it will achieve it. I think it will exacerbate it. But we disagree, and that's fine

[Croesy Blue]

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But saying purposefully divisive phrase All Lives Matter won’t?

Very convenient that.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Some people never do, eh!

Bit disappointed you didnt make a smutty remark when I mentioned Animal Farm earlier too btw.

Well you certainly don't

In your world you are right even though you are the only one on this thread that thinks all lives matter is a genuine movement

It's not , it's been pointed out that it isn't by several people and why its a fake attempt by the right wing to deflect racism as they do by labelling those who stand up against these things as snowflakes

You carry on defending your own position , i think the general consensus is that siding yourself with all lives matter is not the sharpist move but there you go , you won't be told .

[JamesWales]

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Well you certainly don't

In your world you are right even though you are the only one on this thread that thinks all lives matter is a genuine movement

It's not , it's been pointed out that it isn't by several people and why its a fake attempt by the right wing to deflect racism as they do by labelling those who stand up against these things as snowflakes

You carry on defending your own position , i think the general consensus is that siding yourself with all lives matter is not the sharpist move but there you go , you won't be told .

I don't think you've listened to a word I've said.

Just the usual rhetoric pouring out about how anyone who thinks differently from the usual loud voices is some kind of devil.

I just think you guys are divisive and wrong and support positions that will make race relations worse

[Gofer Blue]

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Yet another thread that has descended into name calling etc. Shame.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I don't think for a moment that either of the two major battling parties here are racist in any way but that which they have in common is probably lost in the midst of heated debate.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I don't think you've listened to a word I've said.

Just the usual rhetoric pouring out about how anyone who thinks differently from the usual loud voices is some kind of devil.

I just think you guys are divisive and wrong and support positions that will make race relations worse

I think I'm coming around to your way of thinking. Asking racists to say that Black Lives Matter will make race relations worse whereas asking them to say All Lives Matter, so they specifically don't need to say anything about black people, won't. It's all about not making racists uncomfortable with their prejudiced views.

[JamesWales]

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I think I'm coming around to your way of thinking. Asking racists to say that Black Lives Matter will make race relations worse whereas asking them to say All Lives Matter, so they specifically don't need to say anything about black people, won't. It's all about not making racists uncomfortable with their prejudiced views.

I don't think you get the criticisms at all. I think you are creating a more sectarian world that is rooted in emphasis of differences . I know thats not your intention but that, I believe, will be the result, and there's growing evidence on that

The original point I made was about NOT making stereotypes.
Here, btw is the father of Ahmaud Arbery (you probably know the case) stating that all lives matter. It doesnt have to be a divisive phrase. It can be a basic principle around which society as a whole can rally.

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1463622238452678658

I think the whole debate is far more complex and nuanced and just demanding people unquestionably support BLM is not healthy. In time, I think that viewpoint will become clearer and we will view the last few years as a very divisive period that produced a lot of heat and little light.

Nearly everyone wants the same thing here, it's just about how we go about it and achieve it and in that everyone needs to be open to understanding different approaches

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I don't think you get the criticisms at all. I think you are creating a more sectarian world that is rooted in emphasis of differences . I know thats not your intention but that, I believe, will be the result, and there's growing evidence on that

The original point I made was about NOT making stereotypes.
Here, btw is the father of Ahmaud Arbery (you probably know the case) stating that all lives matter. It doesnt have to be a divisive phrase. It can be a basic principle around which society as a whole can rally.

https://twitter.com/ShellenbergerMD/status/1463622238452678658

I think the whole debate is far more complex and nuanced and just demanding people unquestionably support BLM is not healthy. In time, I think that viewpoint will become clearer and we will view the last few years as a very divisive period that produced a lot of heat and little light.

Nearly everyone wants the same thing here, it's just about how we go about it and achieve it and in that everyone needs to be open to understanding different approaches

He's still here ff sake

You don't have to support BLM and attend every demo

But you do not portray yourself as the balanced individual you think you are by doing exactly what the dimwit does , in a more subtle way .....and that is criticise BLM by shouting all lives matter

You are totally missing the point , purposely , to avoid the truth

You would make a great front man for the all lives matter lot , a sort of suit and tie approach to make them respectable

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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copious amounts of waffle

3 words. Black lives matter. This should be about reaching out to the black community to show that racism towards black people from white people is not tolerable.

I'd happily continue the theme and say Gay lives matter, reaching out to the gay community to show that abuse towards gay people is unacceptable. I'm saying this as a straight, white male.

You seem to think this creates sects.

You obviously prefer a vacuous, rhetorical statement which does piss all to acknowledge the abuse dished out to others. If I racially abused someone and went back to apologies and said all lives matter, I'd get punched.