Why wouldn’t Asylum Seekers….

[Do me a Faerber]

Re: Why wouldn’t Asylum Seekers….

Instead of paying people smugglers huge amounts of cash why don’t they keep hold of their passports and travel to the first safe country jump on a plane- there’s plenty of low budget airlines and fly to the UK
Wouldn’t that make more sense than risking your life making the perilous journey across the channel?
Exactly how many of you would make the same journey from Dover to Calais in a dingy ?

Because their passports wouldn't have visas, so the airlines would have to reject them. If they managed to get past the airlines, where checks are stringent but not complete, they would then fail at immigration control. Technically, they could seek asylum at that point, but realistically they would just get deported all the way back.

If I was desperate, I may very well make the same journey from Dover to Calais, but the UK isn't quite that bad yet. Give it a few years though.

[lardy]

Re: Why wouldn’t Asylum Seekers….

Instead of paying people smugglers huge amounts of cash why don’t they keep hold of their passports and travel to the first safe country jump on a plane- there’s plenty of low budget airlines and fly to the UK
Wouldn’t that make more sense than risking your life making the perilous journey across the channel?
Exactly how many of you would make the same journey from Dover to Calais in a dingy ?

100% of people would do that, given the choice - which makes me think that perhaps jumping on a budget airline isn't an option for them?

And it also makes me think you're on a windup in this thread.

[Do me a Faerber]

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most of them do stay in the first safe country they come to

They do.

Turkey has 3.7million asylum seekers
Germany has 1.2 million.

The UK 31,115 in 2021.

And the Daily Mail made you all think it was a massive problem. Keeps the spotlight off Boris though.

[Sunnysideup]

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We’re back to my original question
Is France A WORSE PLACE TO LIVE THAN THE UK
France (according to Sky News) HAVE offered these Asylum Seekers or Refugees or whatever you want to call them- refuge
They can stay and live in France
It’s as safe in France as here
Why risk death drowning in the channel when you’ve been offered sanctuary
Unless like Lardy suggested they already have friends or family here then to me it doesn’t make sense?

[Feedback]

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maybe they speak English and not French or German, therefore feel they have a better chance in a country that speaks English. Or it may be that we have a history of welcoming foreign nationals and those fleeing oppression...

who cares what their reasons are, there's plenty of room for all of them

[Sunnysideup]

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And I’m 100%not on a wind up Lardy
I’m offended you actually suggested the notion
I just can’t get my head around these people wanting to risk their lives and the lives of their kids and unborn children- a pregnant woman drowned this week
France have offered them sanctuary
Why make the crossing?
Can’t get my head around it sorry
If you were in their situation god forbid where would you Stop?

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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There must be some pretty major reasons. Two that I'd imagine is language and friends/family already here

Exactly that according to this - https://inews.co.uk/news/migrants-wh...51?ITO=newsnow

[Whisperer]

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maybe they speak English and not French or German, therefore feel they have a better chance in a country that speaks English. Or it may be that we have a history of welcoming foreign nationals and those fleeing oppression...

who cares what their reasons are, there's plenty of room for all of them

No there's not plenty of room for them.....especially when they all want to live in Westminster.

[Cleve van Leef]

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Easy life.

[Rjk]

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Easy life.

bollocks

[Tuerto]

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Hmmm, if I was living under a bridge with rats to keep me company, would I be thinking of the quality of French sport, the sophisticated bars and buildings, the beautiful country side and maybe, just maybe, a chateau if I work hard enough and the French property market levels out? Add to that, a biffing accent that makes the ladies quiver.
Or would I be thinking of getting to a country with a sizeable community from my culture, country or surrounding countries with the chance of a bed and the opportunity to earn a few quid on the black market. It's a difficult decision.

[Sunnysideup]

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That’s an interesting read Undercoverinwurzelland
It answers a lot of questions
Still though it says fifty percent have no family ties here
It’s really sad that these cast outs are unwanted- I say cast out because the Syrian despot Assad is a genicidal maniac and can understand them fleeing
Where do you stop though
That’s the conundrum the politicians are politicking over
Who does what to help?

[lardy]

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And I’m 100%not on a wind up Lardy
I’m offended you actually suggested the notion
I just can’t get my head around these people wanting to risk their lives and the lives of their kids and unborn children- a pregnant woman drowned this week
France have offered them sanctuary
Why make the crossing?
Can’t get my head around it sorry
If you were in their situation god forbid where would you Stop?

They've had experiences that we haven't had, so we can't imagine it. Not just you, none of us can.

There's a Malcolm Gladwell book (called David and Goliath) where he talks about direct hits/near misses/remote misses. For example, before WWII the British government were terrified of the Germans bombing London, and planned evacuations and mental institutions on the outskirts of London, expecting thousands of people to be psychologically damaged. The government was terrified of how people would react to being bombed.

Then the Blitz happened and London was bombed every night for about six months. Some died (direct hits), some nearly did (near misses) but the vast majority of people experienced remote misses. Once the bombing started, they realised it wasn't so bad. The government was wrong and people weren't terrified but the remote misses gave everyone confidence and now we call it the Blitz Spirit.

I'm sure that if I had lived in London in 1941, I'd never have had a wink of sleep, but chances are that I'd have been a remote miss and part of the Blitz Spirit.

Perhaps those asylum seekers are remote misses. They've survived a lot, and perhaps it hasn't even been that bad for them. So why not take that boat across the channel? You and me would never know what it's like for them.

[Sunnysideup]

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That’s a fair shout Lardy and I completely agree with everything you’ve just said
My late grandmother lived on a farm in Upper Boat (where Tesco is now) and took in evacuated children so I get what you’re saying
It’s the fact that France has offered sanctuary
Why carry on your journey?
France is a great country
Why risk death by drowning?
That’s the question NOBODY can answer

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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No there's not plenty of room for them.....especially when they all want to live in Westminster.

Bloody Tory MPs