Why wouldn’t Asylum Seekers….

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Why would you say that? It's awful to stop the RNLI doing their work, but the principle of all lives matter is valid.

Can you name the six victims of the Waukesha parade attack last week?

All lives matter is a far right protest gesture cry trying to suggest black lives matter don't care about white lives

Which is of course bullshit , it was about the maltreatment of black men by the police in America

You see it all over social media scrawled by people who say they are not racists before going off on one and end up being racist

All lives matter is racist white society's attempt to deflect what at its heart is what black lives matter is all about .

Trying to legitimise all lives matter is cobblers

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Why would you say that? It's awful to stop the RNLI doing their work, but the principle of all lives matter is valid.

Can you name the six victims of the Waukesha parade attack last week?

Yes

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All lives matter as a philosophy is valid but the phrase itself is as dog whistle as it comes and doesn’t actually mean all lives matter because it’s used to hide the fact that racism occurs.

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All lives matter is a far right protest gesture cry trying to suggest black lives matter don't care about white lives

Which is of course bullshit , it was about the maltreatment of black men by the police in America

You see it all over social media scrawled by people who say they are not racists before going off on one and end up being racist

All lives matter is racist white society's attempt to deflect what at its heart is what black lives matter is all about .

Trying to legitimise all lives matter is cobblers

Sorry, BLM will not solve race issues here or anywhere else. It's the wrong tactic and we are seeing that in the aftermath of Waukesha in the unbelievable difference in reporting.

I just don't see why the link would be made. It's truly awful to prevent the RNLI from doing their work whereas the principle of all lives mattering is a valid stance and more progressive at hears, admittedly with fringe extremists although that goes for BLM too.

[JamesWales]

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All lives matter as a philosophy is valid but the phrase itself is as dog whistle as it comes and doesn’t actually mean all lives matter because it’s used to hide the fact that racism occurs.

It may be. For some people. But the point is you can stand by all lives matter as s solid progressive principle and it doesn't mean you advocate stopping the RNLI saving lives.

The world is nuanced

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Near does blm.

All lives matter was invented by people trying to detract from BLM.

It’s disingenuous and anyone should be able to see that.

Most people think all lives matter but don’t say it because they know the connotations.

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It may be. For some people. But the point is you can stand by all lives matter as s solid progressive principle and it doesn't mean you advocate stopping the RNLI saving lives.

The world is nuanced

"all lives matter" as a slogan was clearly started as a response to "black lives matter" to try to diminish or counter the message. almost everyone I've seen using it seem much more interested in rejecting the aspirations of BLM than actually doing anything to support "all lives".

I'm sure there are some people out there who are ignorant of the origin of the phrase, and who can't understand why saying that "all lives matter" has racial connotations

[JamesWales]

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Near does blm.

All lives matter was invented by people trying to detract from BLM.

It’s disingenuous and anyone should be able to see that.

Most people think all lives matter but don’t say it because they know the connotations.

Yeah, I get it. Personally I think BLM is very very divisive. There's a lot of issues associated with parts of the movement in the US and I genuinely don't think it's progressive at all.

I think it's gained traction as a result of BLM which obviously isn't inclusive and the hyper partisan media in the US.

Point is, you can have a profound belief in principle that all lives matter and hold that reasonably and it doesn't have anything to do with preventing the RNLI from saving lives.

I appreciate it was said in jest but I think that's just an example of how divisive the whole topic has become.

[jon1959]

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Yeah, I get it. Personally I think BLM is very very divisive. There's a lot of issues associated with parts of the movement in the US and I genuinely don't think it's progressive at all.

I think it's gained traction as a result of BLM which obviously isn't inclusive and the hyper partisan media in the US.

Point is, you can have a profound belief in principle that all lives matter and hold that reasonably and it doesn't have anything to do with preventing the RNLI from saving lives.

I appreciate it was said in jest but I think that's just an example of how divisive the whole topic has become.

Your posts show the opposite.

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Sorry, BLM will not solve race issues here or anywhere else. It's the wrong tactic and we are seeing that in the aftermath of Waukesha in the unbelievable difference in reporting.

I just don't see why the link would be made. It's truly awful to prevent the RNLI from doing their work whereas the principle of all lives mattering is a valid stance and more progressive at hears, admittedly with fringe extremists although that goes for BLM too.

BLM will not solve the problem of racism but its a start

All lives matter is cried out by on the whole racists who simply use the phrase to deflect from their own racism . Its yeah but what about us ! ......without accepting the clear reason for protest by black people affected by racism in the first place .

I think shouting out ....all lives matter ! ....is clearly a defensive cry that wouldn't be needed if the issue of racism was addressed in the first place .

A bloke I know has a shop where he pontificate to people who are in there long enough about George Floyd being a bad guy ......which he was .....without talking about the racism that killed him . During the BLM summer he was full of stuff he had lifted from the Internet from mostly dubious sources about the protestors all being ....Marxists! .....and that the knee on his neck not being in any way related to his death . He was a black historian , a toxicologist , a pathologist and a scenes of crime expert , every day in his shop . Where no black people would go , in a town where very few black people lived and in his life where he didn't know any black people .

He is an idiot and as soon as the all lives matter cry went up , he was shouting .

There are loads of people like him , just in Wales .

Racists .

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If someone actually thinks all lives matter is the equivalent of blm I honestly don’t think they’re worth engaging with if they still think it after it’s pointed out why it was started. I wouldn’t waste my time replying to James again.

Again for the hard of hearing; Black Lives Matter doesn’t mean only Black Lives Matter. It means they currently don’t matter and should matter as much as other people’s lives do.

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It may be. For some people. But the point is you can stand by all lives matter as s solid progressive principle and it doesn't mean you advocate stopping the RNLI saving lives.

The world is nuanced

It's not a solid progressive principle, its antagonism towards blm , thats what it's about

I hope you are sensible enough to see that

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If someone actually thinks all lives matter is the equivalent of blm I honestly don’t think they’re worth engaging with if they still think it after it’s pointed out why it was started. I wouldn’t waste my time replying to James again.

Again for the hard of hearing; Black Lives Matter doesn’t mean only Black Lives Matter. It means they currently don’t matter and should matter as much as other people’s lives do.

In one

[JamesWales]

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BLM will not solve the problem of racism but its a start

All lives matter is cried out by on the whole racists who simply use the phrase to deflect from their own racism . Its yeah but what about us ! ......without accepting the clear reason for protest by black people affected by racism in the first place .

I think shouting out ....all lives matter ! ....is clearly a defensive cry that wouldn't be needed if the issue of racism was addressed in the first place .

A bloke I know has a shop where he pontificate to people who are in there long enough about George Floyd being a bad guy ......which he was .....without talking about the racism that killed him . During the BLM summer he was full of stuff he had lifted from the Internet from mostly dubious sources about the protestors all being ....Marxists! .....and that the knee on his neck not being in any way related to his death . He was a black historian , a toxicologist , a pathologist and a scenes of crime expert , every day in his shop . Where no black people would go , in a town where very few black people lived and in his life where he didn't know any black people .

He is an idiot and as soon as the all lives matter cry went up , he was shouting .

There are loads of people like him , just in Wales .

Racists .

Is it a start though? Or is it exacerbating and highlighting differences between groups and allowing some very unsavoury groups to be associated under the banner?