This Eu vaccine row

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I don't think so, other countries within the EU have gone off on their own and approved the AZ vaccine, I think Hungary were the first.

Didn't we approve the vaccine while still in transition period and therefore still under EU law?

The commentary I've seen, from various sides of political spectrum, says this isn't a good look for the EU at all.

[Moodybluebird]

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Yes I voted Remain ( though once the decision was made I felt it should be accepted ) but some of the EU's actions in the years since make you realise why so many voted to Leave.

Elwood it is so refreshing to have a grown up discussion with a former Remainer without being called a right-wing, daily mail reading bigot, which had become rather tiresome.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Didn't we approve the vaccine while still in transition period and therefore still under EU law?

The commentary I've seen, from various sides of political spectrum, says this isn't a good look for the EU at all.

Absolutely. In fact, every time there's been an attempt to pass off something as a beneficial reason for leaving the EU up until we actually left was done under EU legislation, so was really a reason for not leaving.

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Elwood it is so refreshing to have a grown up discussion with a former Remainer without being called a right-wing, daily mail reading bigot, which had become rather tiresome.

Iwas also a pro remainer but once the vote was cast I accepted it and think we should move on.
Some remainers keep knocking on about it as if they really believe that they can still change the result., and complaining there should have been a second vote because it was so close and people weren't told the truth, which translates as "we will not accpet we lost". It's stupid.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Iwas also a pro remainer but once the vote was cast I accepted it and think we should move on.
Some remainers keep knocking on about it as if they really believe that they can still change the result., and complaining there should have been a second vote because it was so close and people weren't told the truth, which translates as "we will not accpet we lost". It's stupid.

Really? Most remainers I know, including myself, have just kept on demonstrating what a steaming pile of shit Brexit is and how it is negatively affecting people and their livelihoods, as predicted.

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Elwood it is so refreshing to have a grown up discussion with a former Remainer without being called a right-wing, daily mail reading bigot, which had become rather tiresome.

To be fair you are both tories so its more than likely you will agree on almost everything

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Iwas also a pro remainer but once the vote was cast I accepted it and think we should move on.
Some remainers keep knocking on about it as if they really believe that they can still change the result., and complaining there should have been a second vote because it was so close and people weren't told the truth, which translates as "we will not accpet we lost". It's stupid.

completely false , the decision to leave Europe was a democratic one but its going to feck us up,the arse and if there is a vote to go back in and I am still alive I will be voting to join .

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completely false , the decision to leave Europe was a democratic one but its going to feck us up,the arse and if there is a vote to go back in and I am still alive I will be voting to join .

What is false about it?
Remember the demonstrations of people trying to force parliament to overturn the will of the people? I bet you agreed with them too. 1 million people in London making it look like they had the majority when in face it was only because those that voted to leave weren't there. They only demanded a revote because they lost, if they had won by the same margin you woudn't have heard a peep!! That's the fact.

[lisvaneblue]

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Didn't we approve the vaccine while still in transition period and therefore still under EU law?

The commentary I've seen, from various sides of political spectrum, says this isn't a good look for the EU at all.

When we were in the EU the medicines approval process was via the EMA, an EU body that was based in UK. Now we are out UK MHRA is responsible.

However, we were still in EU when MHRA approved Pfizer and AZ vaccines. This is allowed in extreme circumstances and the licenses are 'emergency licenses'.

The EU are kicking up a fuss because they contracted with AZ for supply and because of upscaling issues AZ can't fulfil the required quantities immediately.

I've no doubt that AZ would have included a 'best efforts' clause in the contract because of the complex manufacturing and supply chain. Additionally because the vaccine only has a 6 month shelf life they aren't going produce huge volumes until the product as been approved for use in Europe.

There is also a restriction of supply from Pfizer which could impact on UK as well as EU whilst they increase production capacity at their manufacturing site in Belgium.

So EU not happy and they seem to have already forgotten that without the hard work of the Pharma research scientists there would no vaccine for anyone.

[Moodybluebird]

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Iwas also a pro remainer but once the vote was cast I accepted it and think we should move on.
Some remainers keep knocking on about it as if they really believe that they can still change the result., and complaining there should have been a second vote because it was so close and people weren't told the truth, which translates as "we will not accpet we lost". It's stupid.

Quite right xsnaggle.

I voted to leave but never felt the need to crow about the result. Whether the decision to leave turns out to be the right one in the long term remains to be seen but as long as some remainers continue to poor scorn over the result and defy the will of the people there will always be disharmony in the country.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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The EU completely ****ed it up and are now kicking their toys out of the pram.

They wanted the same as us despite signing a contract 3 months later and not approving it, AZ said they could have a "best efforts" in their contract and now the EU are kicking up a fuss about it.

Some German paper even printed some "fake news" about the AZ vaccine being low efficiency (only 8%!) in over 65s.

That Handelsblatt story was a disgrace, and he tried to double down

They're embarrassed we're cracking on with vaccinations and they'll end up stopping us getting the Pfizer and Moderna supplies. It's going to get ugly because they've mismanaged it.

[DubaiDai]

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Yes I voted Remain ( though once the decision was made I felt it should be accepted ) but some of the EU's actions in the years since make you realise why so many voted to Leave.

Agree entirely.
I voted remain but the country spent the following 3-4 years desperately trying to overturn the democratic decision as opposed to planning for independence

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Iwas also a pro remainer but once the vote was cast I accepted it and think we should move on.
Some remainers keep knocking on about it as if they really believe that they can still change the result., and complaining there should have been a second vote because it was so close and people weren't told the truth, which translates as "we will not accpet we lost". It's stupid.

Why didn't Brexiteers accept the referendum result in 1975?

[jon1959]

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This is a golden example of why we are better off outside of the EU - a gigantic money wasting cabal, unable to make a decision and thinking they can do whatever they like, when they like.

No it isn't.

[Croesy Blue]

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That Handelsblatt story was a disgrace, and he tried to double down

They're embarrassed we're cracking on with vaccinations and they'll end up stopping us getting the Pfizer and Moderna supplies. It's going to get ugly because they've mismanaged it.

They're not going to use it now for over 65s either due to lack of data.

If they do block them it's going to get very ugly.