This Eu vaccine row

[Croesy Blue]

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I don't know you at all. As for being totally tory I was referred by someone on here the other day as Gethin. That's not very tory is it?
what I dislike is certain people who will attackanything which the Westminster governemtn says without even considering it, just because it is tory.
I've never been a political animal but the level of bile and unthinking prejudice I see here astounds me, honestly!

Maybe it was autocorrected from something else? Cretin maybe

[Dobbo]

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This is a golden example of why we are better off outside of the EU - a gigantic money wasting cabal, unable to make a decision and thinking they can do whatever they like, when they like.

The EU are just bullies,glad we are out of it.

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/29/oxford-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-full-approval-eu-regulator

[Croesy Blue]

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-eu-regulator

Good news all round really. Means the vaccine has now passed through a few regulators and means the EU can start vaccinating people and keeping them safe.

[xsnaggle]

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Maybe it was autocorrected from something else? Cretin maybe

No, but nice try lol. It was in response to a post saying that in certain circumstacnes the media always try to find fault and that the responsible person in the Welsh goverment was unfairly in a no-win situation.
The actual comment Was 'Mr Gethin'

[WJ99mobile]

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Basically the only people that don't see this as a win for Brexit Britain are the british?

[OurManFlint II]

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Basically the only people that don't see this as a win for Brexit Britain are the british?

Hardly a win for anybody really, it's all a bit like the best looking competition in the burns unit.....

[life on mars]

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Lets be fair its in everyone's interest that the globe gets vaccinated so we all benefit .

Europe has let itself down in my opinion this week, we need to now share if we can to the third world and vulnerable and get away from vaccine political nationalism that was played out this week.

[Vindec]

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A few facts have emerged today about the contract between Astra Zeneca and the EU which regards Britain as part of the EU. That might have been the case prior to the 1 January but isn't true now. The terms of any contract are within the walls of the agreed document. Were the UK consulted before the contract was signed? I doubt it.

Surely if the UK, as a theoretical Party to the contract, didn't agree to the terms then we should have been excluded from it meaning the EU's claims that they have a right to control vaccine manufactured in the UK can't be correct. Additionally the EU/AZ contract requires AZ to make their reasonable best efforts to deliver X number of doses but without specificity that total is meaningless. In short the EU are looking for ways to divert attention away from a foul up of their own making.

[xsnaggle]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55844268

Some interesting points in here.

I noted the comment about the EU trying to force them to provide vaccine on the strength of the large donation they gave to development, when in fact the biggest part of the promised money had not been handed over.

[lisvaneblue]

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A few facts have emerged today about the contract between Astra Zeneca and the EU which regards Britain as part of the EU. That might have been the case prior to the 1 January but isn't true now. The terms of any contract are within the walls of the agreed document. Were the UK consulted before the contract was signed? I doubt it.

Surely if the UK, as a theoretical Party to the contract, didn't agree to the terms then we should have been excluded from it meaning the EU's claims that they have a right to control vaccine manufactured in the UK can't be correct. Additionally the EU/AZ contract requires AZ to make their reasonable best efforts to deliver X number of doses but without specificity that total is meaningless. In short the EU are looking for ways to divert attention away from a foul up of their own making.

This getting very messy. I’ve read the Eu/AZ contract and the best efforts clause of course, there is an initial allocation clause as well and the current issue is around this allocation. There is provision included re manufacturing issues at AZ European plants, but unfortunately for this section of the contract, with specific attention drawn to it, AZ has included the UK plant as an Eu plant....and of course we have no production issues.
The Eu has also stopped exports of Eu manufactured Covid jabs, which includes Pfizer. And in very confrontational act has stopped shipments of vaccines through Northern Ireland, effectively reintroducing a hard border

[Wash DC Blue]

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This getting very messy. I’ve read the Eu/AZ contract and the best efforts clause of course, there is an initial allocation clause as well and the current issue is around this allocation. There is provision included re manufacturing issues at AZ European plants, but unfortunately for this section of the contract, with specific attention drawn to it, AZ has included the UK plant as an Eu plant....and of course we have no production issues.
The Eu has also stopped exports of Eu manufactured Covid jabs, which includes Pfizer. And in very confrontational act has stopped shipments of vaccines through Northern Ireland, effectively reintroducing a hard border

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-55864442?__twitter_impression=true

[lisvaneblue]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-no...mpression=true

Mr Biden will not like this happening in his beloved Ireland

[Wash DC Blue]

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Mr Biden will not like this happening in his beloved Ireland

I think that The EU has cocked up massively with such pettiness.
Their true colours are never very far from the surface but this decision is disappointing to even the most dogmatic of FBPE’ers.

[lisvaneblue]

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I think that The EU has cocked up massively with such pettiness.
Their true colours are never very far from the surface but this decision is disappointing to even the most dogmatic of FBPE’ers.

I agree. Just a couple pf months ago they were warning us that our approval process was too quick and not robust. Best to take time with a comprehensive evaluation process even if to takes more time they said.
Their attitude now changed with time of the essence and they won't tolerate any sort of delay in supply.