Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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McCarthy was appointed 8 days ago. With a squad to assess and 2 league games to prepare for, I doubt he's had the time to identify new players as he would like. Williams offers something different. He's full of running, will give 100% and is in all probability just here to try and keep City in the Championship.

[J R Hartley]

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If Williams does come, then it's a massive reflection on how bad things have become, and it shows the huge limitations in our midfield, horrendous recruitment by Warnock and to a much lesser degree, Harris. The three we have in there at the moment are pretty damn awful. None of them can carry the ball, go past a player or play a pass and follow it. It comes to something when we're touting an injury prone bit part player without an ounce of form in his bin in order to solve a short term problem. If i was one of Vaulks, Ralls or Bacuna, i'd be struggling to look in the mirror this morning after hearing that bit of speculation. If we do sign Williams then it's indicative of how bad and desperate the whole thing has become-depressing really. I'm at the point where i can't stomach watching our midfield three.

its a clear bloody indicator we are going back to Neil Warnock type signings, which wouldnt be a surprise considering weve employed Mick McCarthy. It wouldnt be so ridiculous if we hadnt held a fans meeting only last week to explain we were going down a different route in the transfer market.

[the other bob wilson]

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I completely agree, if he wasn’t Welsh it wouldn’t be being defended at all.

When do most of us see Jonny Williams play these days? When he’s playing for Wales. Does he look completely out of his depth when he plays for his country? Individual opinions here of course, but I don’t think he does. With the Euros coming up and Williams’ place in the squad for the Finals by no means assured, would he be motivated to come to a Welsh club and play under a manager who, clearly, rates him - would it give him a better chance of making the squad than if he stayed at Charlton? You’d like to think he’d be up for coming here to prove himself at a higher level thereby increasing his chances of playing in the Euros, so I would say that the fact he is Welsh is an important consideration this time.

Looking at his situation at Charlton, Williams may have a manager who doesn’t rate him much, but, based on what I see when he plays for Wales, he should not be struggling for his place in a League One team, so you have to wonder about things like consistency to go alongside the clear question marks about his injury record. However, if he is fit currently, at that price and age (it’s hard to say with injuries but the fact he hasn’t played as much as your average twenty seven year old May mean that he’s got quite a few years left in him yet), he could be a bargain if he plays like he can - it’s all down to whether McCarthy can get him playing for us like he often does for Wales.

[J R Hartley]

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McCarthy was appointed 8 days ago. With a squad to assess and 2 league games to prepare for, I doubt he's had the time to identify new players as he would like. Williams offers something different. He's full of running, will give 100% and is in all probability just here to try and keep City in the Championship.

Well lets hope his luck changes because he keeps getting relegated from this division.

[J R Hartley]

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When do most of us see Jonny Williams play these days? When he’s playing for Wales. Does he look completely out of his depth when he plays for his country? Individual opinions here of course, but I don’t think he does. With the Euros coming up and Williams’ place in the squad for the Finals by no means assured, would he be motivated to come to a Welsh club and play under a manager who, clearly, rates him - would it give him a better chance of making the squad than if he stayed at Charlton? You’d like to think he’d be up for coming here to prove himself at a higher level thereby increasing his chances of playing in the Euros, so I would say that the fact he is Welsh is an important consideration this time.

Looking at his situation at Charlton, Williams may have a manager who doesn’t rate him much, but, based on what I see when he plays for Wales, he should not be struggling for his place in a League One team, so you have to wonder about things like consistency to go alongside the clear question marks about his injury record. However, if he is fit currently, at that price and age (it’s hard to say with injuries but the fact he hasn’t played as much as your average twenty seven year old May mean that he’s got quite a few years left in him yet), he could be a bargain if he plays like he can - it’s all down to whether McCarthy can get him playing for us like he often does for Wales.

International football a few times a year where he might get a 20 minutes cameo if hes lucky is not comparable to the Championship, or League One for that matter, where the game is faster, more physical and youre playing Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Wednesday.

He is not fit enough to play twice a week. History will tell you that. Weve already got Tomlin, whos similar in the fact he cant play game after game and hes a far better footballer than Williams.

[dml1954]

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I honestly think you're trying to hard to justify your position on Jonny Williams.

Give the criteria thing a rest as it's baseless unless the players that meet most of the criteria are any good.

Basically, because he's affordable, is an attacking midfielder and under the age of 30 means your "positive" about the potential of him joining us.

Not incredibly injury prone, not struggling in League One and didn't look poor when he was in the Championship aren't on your criteria for some reason.

If all it takes is being under 30, plays as an attacking midfielder and would cost £200k is all that it takes for you to be positive then there's no point in debating any further.

I find it quite a stubborn and ridiculous viewpoint that wouldn't have been a debating point if Williams had chosen to represent England instead of Wales.

Lets be honest, in your position as a devout critic of everything that Cardiff City does, you wouldn't be happy if we signed Messi or Mbappe.

[surge]

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its a clear bloody indicator we are going back to Neil Warnock type signings, which wouldnt be a surprise considering weve employed Mick McCarthy. It wouldnt be so ridiculous if we hadnt held a fans meeting only last week to explain we were going down a different route in the transfer market.

But you've misunderstood. No one has said we're only signing younger players from now on but the aim of the squad is to be "ideally like a hybrid squad, with more experienced players still in situ to bring through exciting youngsters."

That means signing more younger players than older ones given who is already here, but if there is a player who fits a need on a good deal then why would we turn our noses up at it? From what I can tell in that Glen Williams article this would be just our second player over the age of 25 in our 9 most recent signings, and in window where we've also moved Cunningham on so we can bring Brown back.

Maybe I'm a bit bored of the negativity about everything (and overly pro-Jonny Williams) so will take a break now. I do think we should be able to be more nuanced in our analysis of potential transfers and dare I say supportive or our players though.

[the other bob wilson]

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International football a few times a year where he might get a 20 minutes cameo if hes lucky is not comparable to the Championship, or League One for that matter, where the game is faster, more physical and youre playing Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday, Wednesday.

He is not fit enough to play twice a week. History will tell you that. Weve already got Tomlin, whos similar in the fact he cant play game after game and hes a far better footballer than Williams.

Williams starts fairly often for Wales and has been selected in front of the likes of Wilson and Lawrence. While I accept there are misgivings about his injury record, I think you’re making some assumptions about Williams’ current state of fitness.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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I think they can only sign pre contract agreements with overseas teams 6 months before hand. I know the FA only let PCAs between Premier League teams 1 month before the contract ends. It's a bit vague though and I may well be wrong so don't shoot me. So Joe Bennet could sing contract with Real Madrid(!!) but not Bristol City (this comment will be on the board soon as insider info!!)

It’s absolutely amazing that both of us replied saying the same thing within a minute of each other to a message from hours ago! Talk about coincidence! I’m not accusing you of anything sinister here, just thinking about it, mad timing!

[LeningradCowboy]

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Williams starts fairly often for Wales and has been selected in front of the likes of Wilson and Lawrence. While I accept there are misgivings about his injury record, I think you’re making some assumptions about Williams’ current state of fitness.

Do you know how many times he has played 90 minutes for Charlton this season?

[J R Hartley]

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Williams starts fairly often for Wales and has been selected in front of the likes of Wilson and Lawrence. While I accept there are misgivings about his injury record, I think you’re making some assumptions about Williams’ current state of fitness.

Hes started 3 competitive games in the last 2 years for Wales. 4 if you count the friendly against England.

[J R Hartley]

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But you've misunderstood. No one has said we're only signing younger players from now on but the aim of the squad is to be "ideally like a hybrid squad, with more experienced players still in situ to bring through exciting youngsters."

That means signing more younger players than older ones given who is already here, but if there is a player who fits a need on a good deal then why would we turn our noses up at it? From what I can tell in that Glen Williams article this would be just our second player over the age of 25 in our 9 most recent signings, and in window where we've also moved Cunningham on so we can bring Brown back.

Maybe I'm a bit bored of the negativity about everything (and overly pro-Jonny Williams) so will take a break now. I do think we should be able to be more nuanced in our analysis of potential transfers and dare I say supportive or our players though.

Weve got plenty of experienced players in the squad, we dont need Williams for his experience. Hes not that experienced anyway unless you mean experience of the treatment room. Hes started less than 100 games in his career and hes 28 this year. The most league appearances in one season is a massive 26. Its usually around the 10-20 mark. Why we think this guy can have a dramatic effect over the course of a 46 game championship season I do not know.

[the other bob wilson]

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Hes started 3 competitive games in the last 2 years for Wales. 4 if you count the friendly against England.

But he’s started in front of players that there’s no way we could sign for £250k tomorrow and that’s an important point as far as I’m concerned - that sort of fee is nothing these days and it’s hardly as if he’s that old (to read some of the comments in this thread you’d think he was forty!).

[the other bob wilson]

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Do you know how many times he has played 90 minutes for Charlton this season?

No, but I’m guessing around the same number as Tomlin did for us last season.

[Heisenberg]

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Lets be honest, in your position as a devout critic of everything that Cardiff City does, you wouldn't be happy if we signed Messi or Mbappe.

Oh, hi dml. While I've got your attention, can you provide the source of your claim that Sheffield United paid more than a million pounds in loan fees for Madine?

Thanks.