Club respond to open letter

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

If it was so obvious Riza was going to get the job, why did they take over ten weeks to confirm it? Why was the job not given to Riza when we won four and drew two in an unbeaten run? Why wasn’t the appointment confirmed when Riza was in Malaysia or just after he returned?

Also, I’m surprised at you being taken in hook, line and sinker by the Three Amigos’ gaslighting for beginners approach in their reply to the open letter.

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Re why he wasn't given it after his good start I really think it's because the club has been neglected and nobody is doing anything.

I strongly objected to line in the letter of the FAB being sure everyone is working hard. I really don't think that's the case.

His picture of him finally signing the contract sums it up. Sat in a room alone with a pen and paper. Looked like he'd wandered into an empty room and got his mate to take a picture. Just a single pic of ninian park in the background and otherwise blank walls. Could have been in the house of most city fans. Not a single person from the board to be seen. Sums it up.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

If it was so obvious Riza was going to get the job, why did they take over ten weeks to confirm it? Why was the job not given to Riza when we won four and drew two in an unbeaten run? Why wasn’t the appointment confirmed when Riza was in Malaysia or just after he returned?

Also, I’m surprised at you being taken in hook, line and sinker by the Three Amigos’ gaslighting for beginners approach in their reply to the open letter.

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The fact remains that the trip to Malaysia was the most significant clue that he was going to get the job. Anyone who knows the current board and how they operate could see that. I wasn’t referring to the weeks preceding that.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Usual suspects

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LA Confidential.

We all know the score.

Tan made that clear when we expressed our dissent over club colours:

“If you don’t like it, then leave. I’ll get new customers.”

Steve Borley provides a link to the terms of reference in the response. It says that the minutes of meetings should be made available within 7 working days of the meeting taking place. I think there is a FAB meeting on Monday. If past performance is anything to go by then the Club will be making minutes available for that sometime in January or February if past performance is anything to go by. So Steve Borley is a fine one when it comes to sticking to protocols. It will be interesting to see what response of the Supporters Club (the majority), the Trust, DSA and Independent Reps is to the issue of protocol. I'm not slavishly accepting Steve Borley's version of the truth like some until I've heard both sides of the story.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Does it ever cross your minds that most people don't share your outrage?

If there is a procedure why would you not follow it?

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got to agree with this

if you want more of a say on how the club is run, find yourself £60 Mill and make VT a offer

the FAB idea was great in theory, but why should a few people who are only fans feel they have a right to know whats happening and demand answers, this isnt non-league football this is a multi million £ business ( thats being run like a car crash I agree ), for me, we have a fan on the board, his name, Steve Borely ( and thats good enough for me :shrug: )

of course the answer is, if you are not happy walk away ( Silently is better or even a slightly mumble if you must, as we dont want the drama on here, the big grand boycott speech, its embarrassing ) as maybe the new modern elite football game isnt for you, if you walk away, have a look at some of your local non-league teams, they will be happy with your £15 a match ticket and the £10 you spend at the bar, they would be over the moon with that, in fact, you could even volunteer with that club, give something back, even have a say on how its run

some actually just want to turn up and support the team, watch a bit of football ( which under Riza has improved, I know the score of the last 2 games ) Leave the running of the club to them that run the club

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Originally Posted by blue matt

got to agree with this

if you want more of a say on how the club is run, find yourself £60 Mill and make VT a offer

the FAB idea was great in theory, but why should a few people who are only fans feel they have a right to know whats happening and demand answers, this isnt non-league football this is a multi million £ business ( thats being run like a car crash I agree ), for me, we have a fan on the board, his name, Steve Borely ( and thats good enough for me :shrug: )

of course the answer is, if you are not happy walk away ( Silently is better or even a slightly mumble if you must, as we dont want the drama on here, the big grand boycott speech, its embarrassing ) as maybe the new modern elite football game isnt for you, if you walk away, have a look at some of your local non-league teams, they will be happy with your £15 a match ticket and the £10 you spend at the bar, they would be over the moon with that, in fact, you could even volunteer with that club, give something back, even have a say on how its run

some actually just want to turn up and support the team, watch a bit of football ( which under Riza has improved, I know the score of the last 2 games ) Leave the running of the club to them that run the club

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And this is part of the reason we are screwed.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

And this is part of the reason we are screwed.

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we are just customers though, thats the modern game

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Originally Posted by blue matt

got to agree with this

if you want more of a say on how the club is run, find yourself £60 Mill and make VT a offer

the FAB idea was great in theory, but why should a few people who are only fans feel they have a right to know whats happening and demand answers, this isnt non-league football this is a multi million £ business ( thats being run like a car crash I agree ), for me, we have a fan on the board, his name, Steve Borely ( and thats good enough for me :shrug: )

of course the answer is, if you are not happy walk away ( Silently is better or even a slightly mumble if you must, as we dont want the drama on here, the big grand boycott speech, its embarrassing ) as maybe the new modern elite football game isnt for you, if you walk away, have a look at some of your local non-league teams, they will be happy with your £15 a match ticket and the £10 you spend at the bar, they would be over the moon with that, in fact, you could even volunteer with that club, give something back, even have a say on how its run

some actually just want to turn up and support the team, watch a bit of football ( which under Riza has improved, I know the score of the last 2 games ) Leave the running of the club to them that run the club

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Fantastic post, much of my time is devoted within my son’s football team so the running side of a professional football club isn’t my concern just like 95% of our fan base ( judging by trust membership)

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Originally Posted by Hilts

And this is part of the reason we are screwed.

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A fanbase to be proud of.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

And this is part of the reason we are screwed.

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I bet you will want Tan to back the manager is the window though right ?

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Originally Posted by blue matt

we are just customers though, thats the modern game

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Do you reckon customers ever complain about poor service, poor quality products, etc?

If so, are they right to do so? Or should they just forget it?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Do you reckon customers ever complain about poor service, poor quality products, etc?

If so, are they right to do so? Or should they just forget it?

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I don’t think that works if it’s relating to staff appointments and service delivery for a football club as so many factors are based on variables outside of the board’s control ( injuries, weather , fitness , refereeing decisions, suspensions, loss of form etc etc)

It’s not Tesco’s.

We are customers.

But every solvent company, apart from the semi-state or state-run single entities finds telling you to lump it or leave it does not offer long-term returns.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

this isnt non-league football

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Yet weve just employed a non league manager. Oh the irony,

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

It’s not Tesco’s.

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Sainsbury's.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Sainsbury's.

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Shhhhhh, this is an adult forum , not the school yard

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Shhhhhh, this is an adult forum , not the school yard

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It's all a conspiracy. All of it.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I don’t think that works if it’s relating to staff appointments and service delivery for a football club as so many factors are based on variables outside of the board’s control ( injuries, weather , fitness , refereeing decisions, suspensions, loss of form etc etc)

It’s not Tesco’s.

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No it is not Tesco.

I don't care about Tesco. I do not support Tesco. I feel no sense of pride or frustration if Tesco produces bigger dividends for its shareholders than Sainsbury. I do not read books about the greatest check out staff in Tesco in the golden years of the 1970s. I will not travel 200 miles each way to buy a pint of milk and a paper at Tesco.

I do care about Cardiff City Football Club. It maybe irrational, but there it is!

The Board do not have to produce a plan. They do not have to keep the supporters (their customers) informed and involved. They do not have to be competent. But it helps if they have a plan, communicate well and show that they are on top of their jobs or roles. It will be better for their reputation and the club's financial position. It will generate more goodwill, enthusiasm and new supporters (customers). It is a win-win.

Supporters are not the same as customers. At times the club appears to recognise that (even if just with cliched soundbites) but too often it clearly doesn't. If you and Matt are happy with that, it is your choice. I hope you are in the minority - but maybe you aren't.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

of course the answer is, if you are not happy walk away ( Silently is better or even a slightly mumble if you must, as we dont want the drama on here, the big grand boycott speech, its embarrassing )

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Who put you in charge? You don’t want the drama on here but Mike started the thread?

What are you saying? The mods can start a thread but you don’t want replies that don’t align with your own personal opinion?

That’s the sort of dictatorship Tan would be proud of.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

No it is not Tesco.

I don't care about Tesco. I do not support Tesco. I feel no sense of pride or frustration if Tesco produces bigger dividends for its shareholders than Sainsbury. I do not read books about the greatest check out staff in Tesco in the golden years of the 1970s. I will not travel 200 miles each way to buy a pint of milk and a paper at Tesco.

I do care about Cardiff City Football Club. It maybe irrational, but there it is!

The Board do not have to produce a plan. They do not have to keep the supporters (their customers) informed and involved. They do not have to be competent. But it helps if they have a plan, communicate well and show that they are on top of their jobs or roles. It will be better for their reputation and the club's financial position. It will generate more goodwill, enthusiasm and new supporters (customers). It is a win-win.

Supporters are not the same as customers. At times the club appears to recognise that (even if just with cliched soundbites) but too often it clearly doesn't. If you and Matt are happy with that, it is your choice. I hope you are in the minority - but maybe you aren't.

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If the club were top of the league say 30 points clear , nobody would have said a word regarding the issues raised. Perhaps, more pertinently , if there were any questions to raise I’m guessing they would have followed the protocol as outlined by life long fan Steve Borley.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It's all a conspiracy. All of it.

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Be quiet you lame duck

Attention seeking fool.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

If the club were top of the league say 30 points clear , nobody would have said a word regarding the issues raised.

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I think this is a very astute and incisive observation, and I agree entirely. After all, if the situation was entirely different, people would react entirely differently.

Something to think about.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Be quiet you lame duck

Attention seeking fool.

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Bit mean.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

we are just customers though, thats the modern game

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I agree with you about 'us' only being customers but let's be honest here Cardiff City 'the product' has been crap for a few years and people are complaining.

Wonder if we customers could seek advice from consumer rights for fraudulent misrepresentation?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I think this is a very astute and incisive observation, and I agree entirely. After all, if the situation was entirely different, people would react entirely differently.

Something to think about.

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I tell you what, once one of this Board’s independent, critical thinkers have pointed out the truth to us, you realise how stupid you were not to see it yourself don’t you.

The customer/supporter debate is a really interesting one.

Surprised it's never been mentioned on here before really.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I tell you what, once one of this Board’s independent, critical thinkers have pointed out the truth to us, you realise how stupid you were not to see it yourself don’t you.

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It was staring us in the face all along. There’s no point in anyone complaining when things are crap because they wouldn’t be complaining if things were great. So that’s the end of that.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Do you reckon customers ever complain about poor service, poor quality products, etc?

If so, are they right to do so? Or should they just forget it?

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Seems you have to buy the company you’re not happy with before you can start complaining about it if I read one of Matt’s earlier comments right.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I tell you what, once one of this Board’s independent, critical thinkers have pointed out the truth to us, you realise how stupid you were not to see it yourself don’t you.

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As soon as I posted this morning I knew you and a few others would post the exact same things you have , very very predictable and indicative of the dynamics of a few who just cannot or will not accept other peoples opinions.

The terminology used such as “critical thinking “ “conspiracy” simply has nothing to do with this post so can you just stick to the original thread and behave.

If you have a problem with the club DM Steve Borley on X

No wonder supporters are not joining the trust with people like you as members is there:xmashehe:

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Originally Posted by Michael Morris

With Saturday’s fixture against Watford having been postponed due to Storm Darragh, Cardiff City Football Club wishes to take a moment ahead of the weekend to address an open letter circulated earlier in the week attributable to supporters representing Cardiff City Supporters’ Club; Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust; Cardiff City DSA and the Fan Advisory Board (FAB).

Frustrations with early-season performances and our League position at this stage of the season are acknowledged and empathised with; however, the Club is disappointed that the referenced letter was made public suddenly by the FAB on Sunday evening, without due dialogue and communication processes being assumed in line with the FAB’s terms of reference.

Prior to this letter’s publication, no discussion from supporter-elected members of the FAB was had with the Nominated Board Level Representative (NBLR) and Co. Chair, Steve Borley. For optimal function of the FAB as it was agreed and intended, it is essential that this formalised dialogue consistently, and without exception, takes place in future.

Cardiff City’s Fan Advisory Board (FAB) is an independent body for in-depth discussion with the Club’s hierarchy including Executive Club Staff and the Club’s Board of Directors. In February 2024, five directly elected fans were elected to the FAB. Five statutory supporter representatives sit on the FAB, including two members of Cardiff City Supporters’ Trust (CCST); two members of Cardiff City Supporters’ Club (CCSC); and one member of Cardiff City Disabled Supporters’ Association (CCDSA).

Meetings are co-chaired by Club Director Steve Borley, Cardiff City’s NBLR, and Michael Weedon, the elected supporter representative.

Scheduled meetings happened in February, May and August this year, with the fourth and final meeting of 2024 scheduled for next Monday. Cardiff City FC’s Supporters Liaison Officer (SLO) serves as Secretary of the FAB with meetings published via the Club website and available to refer to, here.

In addition, a fan parliament, attended by Mehmet Dalman, Ken Choo, Steve Borley and Omer Riza and ten Heads of Departments took place on November 1st.

Ahead of several other clubs and without current obligation, Cardiff City Football Club took the decision to form its own independent fan advisory board earlier this year to give supporters a stronger voice that was heard mandatorily. It is therefore concerning that an incendiary open letter was published, contrary to the procedures and process that the FAB agreed upon.

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What a piss-poor response from the club, which isn't a surprise. Just attacking the fact that the FAB agreed with the sentiment and completely ignore the content of what is being said.

It also sounds like the Club want to use the FAB to silence any disenting voices from the fanbase.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I think this is a very astute and incisive observation, and I agree entirely. After all, if the situation was entirely different, people would react entirely differently.

Something to think about.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

got to agree with this

if you want more of a say on how the club is run, find yourself £60 Mill and make VT a offer

the FAB idea was great in theory, but why should a few people who are only fans feel they have a right to know whats happening and demand answers, this isnt non-league football this is a multi million £ business ( thats being run like a car crash I agree ), for me, we have a fan on the board, his name, Steve Borely ( and thats good enough for me :shrug: )

of course the answer is, if you are not happy walk away ( Silently is better or even a slightly mumble if you must, as we dont want the drama on here, the big grand boycott speech, its embarrassing ) as maybe the new modern elite football game isnt for you, if you walk away, have a look at some of your local non-league teams, they will be happy with your £15 a match ticket and the £10 you spend at the bar, they would be over the moon with that, in fact, you could even volunteer with that club, give something back, even have a say on how its run

some actually just want to turn up and support the team, watch a bit of football ( which under Riza has improved, I know the score of the last 2 games ) Leave the running of the club to them that run the club

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Sums up my thoughts exactly.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I bet you will want Tan to back the manager is the window though right ?

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Actually. I don't think Riza will last more than a few months.

I hope we get a striker or 2 on loan.

But I don't want the complete rebuild to start as I don't think Riza will be manager long.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It was staring us in the face all along. There’s no point in anyone complaining when things are crap because they wouldn’t be complaining if things were great. So that’s the end of that.

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I thought you were never watching City again with Tan in charge , yet you’re still hanging around, despite all the hype and attention seeking

Lame Duck.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

I thought you were never watching City again with Tan in charge , yet you’re still hanging around, despite all the hype and attention seeking.

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More critical thinking.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

As soon as I posted this morning I knew you and a few others would post the exact same things you have , very very predictable and indicative of the dynamics of a few who just cannot or will not accept other peoples opinions.

The terminology used such as “critical thinking “ “conspiracy” simply has nothing to do with this post so can you just stick to the original thread and behave.

If you have a problem with the club DM Steve Borley on X

No wonder supporters are not joining the trust with people like you as members is there:xmashehe:

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Isn’t an independent, critical thinking forelock tugger a contradiction in terms?

Being serious for a sec, can one of those defending the club explain why they think their response adequately deals with the points raised in the open letter?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

More critical thinking.

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Not at all just wondering why you’re bothered with it all as you were never watching City again :hehe:

Classic Gunman :hehe:

As far as I know Tan is still in charge, it must pickle your swede

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Being serious for a sec, can one of those defending the club explain why they think their response adequately deals with the points raised in the open letter?

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I think Matt has explained it all