Ukraine Losses (Allegedly)

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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People were celebrating the courage and commitment of nurses and other front line workers - not lockdown.

If you would stop spending 25 hours a day in swivel-eyed, far right, conspiracy YouTube cess pits and come up for air in the real world, you would know that!

Just a suggestion.

PS - I watched Threads again last year and was impressed all over again by how good it was, and remembering how it tied in with the back end of the cold war, CND marches, and the 'Protect And Survive' booklets. The Sheffield setting was a factor too. Back in the 70s/80s it was government ministers and Town Hall executives who were going to be hiding in the bunkers. Nowadays it is the anti state redneck loons who watch the same YouTube channels as you!

true, that's what we were doing those weeks - whilst pointing at the houses where those unfeeling, inconsiderate, unappreciative folk lived, refusing to join in the collective celebration. We were like 8yr olds, told to clap along to the funny man at the party. We did it, though perhaps our excuse was it happened the same point in time as mass hysteria took over..

[jon1959]

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true, that's what we were doing those weeks - whilst pointing at the houses where those unfeeling, inconsiderate, unappreciative folk lived, refusing to join in the collective celebration. We were like 8yr olds, told to clap along to the funny man at the party. We did it, though perhaps our excuse was it happened the same point in time as mass hysteria took over..

I agree with those that say that given the choice between a clap and a pay rise, the nurses deserve the pay. But even if you felt like an 8 year old during the weekly clap, my experience was different. We did it as a whole community, not because the government or BBC said we should - but out of a genuine collective sense of gratitude. I'm sure that applied to most if not all of my neighbours - and I am confident about that because we talked about it. We also set up new community groups to collect for foodbanks, to check on every house and flat in the area (with red and green cards distributed so that the elderly or vulnerable could signal they were OK or needed help), a new environmental group and more.

It could have been a cheesy gesture that added insult to injury - copied from the Italians or Spanish - but it wasn't. But as with most things, you get out what you put in.

[Organ Morgan.]

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Something's cooking. What could it be?

Travel Advisory: Russia – Do Not Travel - https://ru.usembassy.gov/travel-advi...ruary-12-2023/

US tells citizens to leave Russia immediately

"US citizens residing or travelling in Russia should depart immediately. Exercise increased caution due to the risk of wrongful detentions. Do not travel to Russia” - US embassy in Moscowhttps://t.co/F4TsYAlDi7

— Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress) February 13, 2023

These updated Advisories are sometimes released prior to a Serious Event so this could possibly be a sign of some kind of either Major Offensive or Large-Scale Mobilization that Intelligence Agencies have decided is worrying enough to issue an Travel Advisory in relation to.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 13, 2023

[Organ Morgan.]

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Maybe this is what's on the stove.

New Russian offensive has begun - NATO chief - https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...vance-12541713

A major new Russian offensive in Ukraine has begun, NATO says.

Speaking to reporters on Monday, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said the organisation sees "no sign whatsoever" that Vladimir Putin is "preparing for peace".

"What we see is president Putin and Russia still wanting to control Ukraine", Mr Stoltenberg said.

"We see how they are sending more troops, more weapons, more capabilities."

Ukraine has been bracing for a major new offensive by Russia, previously warning that it needs fighter jets and long-range missiles in order to oppose it.

In an update on Monday, Mr Stoltenberg said defence ministers would discuss whether to supply aircrafts to Ukraine during a two-day meeting in Brussels this week.

"There is now a discussion going on also on the question of aircrafts and I expect that also to be addressed tomorrow at the meeting in Brussels", he said.

Mr Stoltenberg said NATO would not become part of the conflict if it were to supply the jets.

[Organ Morgan.]

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Here's a quite startling 7-minute subtitled address made by a female Romanian MP last Friday.

In it she casts doubts on the whole Covid-19 narrative, implies 'vaccines' are part of a much larger depopulation agenda and suggests those determined to deliver WW3 are Satanic.

Probably the most controversial remarks she made is that the recent earthquakes in Turkey weren't natural but the result of being targeted by geological weapon technology to punish the Turkish president for not being onboard with the push for war.

HAARP and 3RD World War - All Together !!! SHOCK STATEMENT from A SENATOR !!! - https://rumble.com/v291qyw-haarp-and...-senator-.html

[Organ Morgan.]

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Few would deny Putin can't half yap. He's droned and on and on for almost a year while a long list of countries have wheeled their weaponry into Ukraine to help kill members of his armed services.

The Kremlin has ordered Russia’s main TV channels to broadcast Putin’s message to the Federal Assembly on February 21.

It will be around an hour according to Peskov. https://t.co/BxTP5EnNi9

— C0rv0 (@brother_corvo) February 15, 2023

[Rjk]

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Few would deny Putin can't half yap. He's droned and on and on for almost a year while a long list of countries have wheeled their weaponry into Ukraine to help kill members of his armed services.

The Kremlin has ordered Russia’s main TV channels to broadcast Putin’s message to the Federal Assembly on February 21.

It will be around an hour according to Peskov. https://t.co/BxTP5EnNi9

— C0rv0 (@brother_corvo) February 15, 2023

there's a very easy way Putin can stop his troops from dying in Ukraine

[Organ Morgan.]

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there's a very easy way Putin can stop his troops from dying in Ukraine

I don't disagree.

I've thought of Ukraine-Russia as a regional conflict which is none of Britain's business. Why the British government has and continues to go out of its way to annoy the Russkies (who supposedly has the nukes to lay waste to Britain in just half an hour by pushing a few buttons marked Launch) is a real head-scratcher.

[Rjk]

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I don't disagree.

I've thought of Ukraine-Russia as a regional conflict which is none of Britain's business. Why the British government has and continues to go out of its way to annoy the Russkies (who supposedly has the nukes to lay waste to Britain in just half an hour by pushing a few buttons marked Launch) is a real head-scratcher.

how would it have played out if all the other countries had looked the other way when Putin invaded? Ukraine would at best be a puppet state of Russia by now, but more likely would just be declared russian territory

[Organ Morgan.]

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how would it have played out if all the other countries had looked the other way when Putin invaded? Ukraine would at best be a puppet state of Russia by now, but more likely would just be declared russian territory

I wouldn't have cared had Ukraine became a Russian puppet state. Better that than risk seeing a mushroom cloud on the horizon from my back window (or front one) as revenge for Britain poking its nose in.

[TWGL1]

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there's a very easy way Putin can stop his troops from dying in Ukraine

Same could be said for Zelensky.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64662184

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Same could be said for Zelensky.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64662184

You seem the kind of guy who if someone broke into your house and took over half your living room you would want to make them a cup of tea.

[TWGL1]

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You seem the kind of guy who if someone broke into your house and took over half your living room you would want to make them a cup of tea.

Ha ,do a bit more research if I was you , that said I don’t take sides in a proxy war.

What you view on it all then ,and there are plenty of wars going on at the moment that receive little help from us when perhaps we should help a little more.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Ha ,do a bit more research if I was you , that said I don’t take sides in a proxy war.

What you view on it all then ,and there are plenty of wars going on at the moment that receive little help from us when perhaps we should help a little more.

Not quite sure what you mean by a proxy war, did the Russians invade on behalf of someone else? Then having not taken sides in a proxy war you then suggest that there are other places that we should.

Mine is a relatively simple view. The democratically elected Ukranian government made a few missteps in its haste to face West but nothing that warranted an invasion (apparently on the pretext of removing Hunter Biden's biolabs...remember that).

I think both sides will use the next year to establish a battlefield advantage before some negotiation borne out of exhaustion.

If you have some of that extensive research to share I guess now would be a good time.

[TWGL1]

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Not quite sure what you mean by a proxy war, did the Russians invade on behalf of someone else? Then having not taken sides in a proxy war you then suggest that there are other places that we should.

Mine is a relatively simple view. The democratically elected Ukranian government made a few missteps in its haste to face West but nothing that warranted an invasion (apparently on the pretext of removing Hunter Biden's biolabs...remember that).

I think both sides will use the next year to establish a battlefield advantage before some negotiation borne out of exhaustion.

If you have some of that extensive research to share I guess now would be a good time.

I have plenty, but you have more time than me , and I have press on with family matters like putting my son to bed.

I’m not sure the 2014 electoral result in Ukraine was totally democratic but I could be wrong.