40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[jon1959]

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The two-state solution is generally accepted in modern times to be THE solution. It would appear from our perspective in 2024 to be the lessor of many evils, but it will never provide the peace that we all want to see. The need to eradicate the Jews has never gone away since the rise of Hitler in the 1930's; different vessels are employed to complete the task, but the chief enemy (of Israel) will not stop his efforts until he is dealt with himself, and at the right time, he will be.

THE solution would be a single democratic state in which Jews, Christians, Muslims and people of no faith or belief could live side by side with the same laws, the same rights and the same security. Not a Jewish state. Not an Islamic state. Just a democratic state.

We are on a path to a single state - a Political Zionist state - in which non-Jews are either killed or expelled (in the occupied territories) and kept as exploited second class citizens with reduced rights (in Israel).

Two states is supported by the vast majority of the world as the best viable compromise solution that gives some rights to the indigenous people of Palestine - but it can only happen (even for the short-medium term) if the illegal settlers are removed from the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Israel has spent all the years since Oslo changing 'the facts on the ground' so that two states is unviable. If the world is serious about two states (the West isn't) Israeli expansionism and ethnic cleansing will have to be rolled back, and the 1967 border re-established.

There is no place in the world of 2024 for settler-colonialism, for ethnic cleansing, or for white/Jewish supremacy (or for any other kind of racist supremacy). Unfortunately that ideology, and the war crimes, human rights abuses and genocide that come from it, have many supporters - even on Cardiff City message boards!.

[truthpaste]

Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

THE solution would be a single democratic state in which Jews, Christians, Muslims and people of no faith or belief could live side by side with the same laws, the same rights and the same security. Not a Jewish state. Not an Islamic state. Just a democratic state.

We are on a path to a single state - a Political Zionist state - in which non-Jews are either killed or expelled (in the occupied territories) and kept as exploited second class citizens with reduced rights (in Israel).

Two states is supported by the vast majority of the world as the best viable compromise solution that gives some rights to the indigenous people of Palestine - but it can only happen (even for the short-medium term) if the illegal settlers are removed from the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Israel has spent all the years since Oslo changing 'the facts on the ground' so that two states is unviable. If the world is serious about two states (the West isn't) Israeli expansionism and ethnic cleansing will have to be rolled back, and the 1967 border re-established.

There is no place in the world of 2024 for settler-colonialism, for ethnic cleansing, or for white/Jewish supremacy (or for any other kind of racist supremacy). Unfortunately that ideology, and the war crimes, human rights abuses and genocide that come from it, have many supporters - even on Cardiff City message boards!.

Your wishes are clear. The future reality will unfold just as clearly as it did from 1867 to 1917 and then 1917 to 1967, and it will be interesting to see how people react to those events.

[Gofer Blue]

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"How many times have we seen weeping Palestinian mothers holding the corpses of their children and asking what did he/she do to deserve this? The answer of course is nothing but is 100% down to the actions of Hamas."

I wonder who wrote this and who piled in to support it? (Clue - many bibles were bashed that day!)

As you know I wrote that and I stick by what I said, although it has been misinterpreted to suggest that I meant Hamas are directly responsible for the slaughter of Palestinian children. Obviously that is not the case – as far as I know Hamas have not gone around blowing up houses in Gaza. They are 100% responsible in the sense that the massacre last October triggered the events that followed.

As I wrote previously Hamas were either stupid or deliberate when they launched that attack and I would opt for the latter. Every man and his brother knows that Israel is not a nation to “turn the other cheek” and if attacked will hit back twice as hard – witness the current reaction to the missile strike on the football pitch in the north. I'm pretty sure they needed very little excuse to turn their sights on Hezbollah inside Lebanon – witness the interview with frightened Israelis who live near the Lebanon border as they know that war could be coming to them any time soon. Likewise the people living on the other side of the border are probably anticipating Gaza Mk.2 especially if Hezbollah are embedded amongst the population as Hamas are in Gaza. That doesn't make the Israeli response justifiable, just inevitable of course.

[Dorcus]

Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

As you know I wrote that and I stick by what I said, although it has been misinterpreted to suggest that I meant Hamas are directly responsible for the slaughter of Palestinian children. Obviously that is not the case – as far as I know Hamas have not gone around blowing up houses in Gaza. They are 100% responsible in the sense that the massacre last October triggered the events that followed.

As I wrote previously Hamas were either stupid or deliberate when they launched that attack and I would opt for the latter. Every man and his brother knows that Israel is not a nation to “turn the other cheek” and if attacked will hit back twice as hard – witness the current reaction to the missile strike on the football pitch in the north. I'm pretty sure they needed very little excuse to turn their sights on Hezbollah inside Lebanon – witness the interview with frightened Israelis who live near the Lebanon border as they know that war could be coming to them any time soon. Likewise the people living on the other side of the border are probably anticipating Gaza Mk.2 especially if Hezbollah are embedded amongst the population as Hamas are in Gaza. That doesn't make the Israeli response justifiable, just inevitable of course.

Ethically the question is shouldn't Israel turn the other cheek if the result will be slaughtering innocents? Maybe they should take their losses but maintain the moral high ground!

[Gofer Blue]

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Ethically the question is shouldn't Israel turn the other cheek if the result will be slaughtering innocents? Maybe they should take their losses but maintain the moral high ground!

Fat chance!! Quote from BBC report today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6p2j85k8dro

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has promised that Hezbollah will pay "a heavy price" for an attack that killed 12 children at a football pitch in Majdal Shams on the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights on Saturday.

[jeepster]

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Fat chance!! Quote from BBC report today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6p2j85k8dro

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has promised that Hezbollah will pay "a heavy price" for an attack that killed 12 children at a football pitch in Majdal Shams on the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights on Saturday.

Too many innocents will die before a ceasefire is agreed.(both sides)

[Dorcus]

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Fat chance!! Quote from BBC report today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6p2j85k8dro

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has promised that Hezbollah will pay "a heavy price" for an attack that killed 12 children at a football pitch in Majdal Shams on the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights on Saturday.

Then if it's fat chance that's nothing to do with Hamas: that's Israel's ethical problem.

"It's better to die on your feet rather than live on your knees" Humans will resist poverty, subservience and humiliation. That's just the way we are.

[jon1959]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj506dzqmqlo

[Citizen's Nephew]

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/30/labour-gaza-voters-party-muslim

[stevo]

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Top Hamas leader killed

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c4ng7g74xppt

Would be nice to think this will result in less civilians being killed, but I suspect it will only lead to more [sigh]

[chrisp_1927]

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Top Hamas leader killed

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c4ng7g74xppt

Would be nice to think this will result in less civilians being killed, but I suspect it will only lead to more [sigh]

Fantastic news! Right in the middle of Tehran aswell.

[jeepster]

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Fantastic news! Right in the middle of Tehran aswell.

So you think this will stop the bloodshed on both sides?

[chrisp_1927]

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So you think this will stop the bloodshed on both sides?

I wouldn't imagine so unfortunately. As a standalone piece of news it's bloody good though. Especially as it happened right in the capital of the country responsible for so much of this carnage.

[jeepster]

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I wouldn't imagine so unfortunately. As a standalone piece of news it's bloody good though. Especially as it happened right in the capital of the country responsible for so much of this carnage.

I think this will lead to more terrorism events around the world.

[chrisp_1927]

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I think this will lead to more terrorism events around the world.

Hopefully not, but definitely a possibility I suppose. Hopefully it will make a few leaders in Iran feel a bit less confident about stoking up and arming terrorist groups.