40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[life on mars]

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Hard to see the justification in the continued bombing, what else can be left to bomb? I support the right to make a ground invasion if needed , but can this continued bombing really be targeting militants only?


As for that hospital strike. I reckon what's not being said probably speaks louder. If that was an Israeli strike we'd have had Palestinian journalists all over TV this morning with the proof , yet they appear to have nothing. In fact the Palestinian side seems to have gone very quiet on the matter

Didn't quite see the point in the audio released by Israel. My first thought on hearing it was it could as easily have been knocked up next door as be real. I'm wondering if it's more for the ears of the Iranians and hizbollah etc who are meant to recognise who these 2 people actually are.

I think the Israelis' maybe listening to a lot of folk saying not aground please , the Israeli leadership may be a bit far right but they are controlled by others and do have balanced politicians backers ..

I am waiting on the settlement scheme war for Palestinians in UK ( Scotland has stepped , up well the virtual signalling SNP not the voters over to Welsh dont forget me Drakeford )

[Eric Cartman]

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I would rather trust the Israeli/western version as there is nothing to gain bombing a hospital and they have the skills not too and Hamas know that, its reported the shrapnel is not Israeli made and there is intercepted call between Hamas operatives admitting the mistake .

It's probably worth mentioning that the evidence you are quoting has been collected and released by the IDF, so it's probably worth waiting for further confirmation.

Also, I don't think the argument 'what's to gain from bombing a hospital?' applies in this conflict. Both sides have already done a number of baffling things that don't help peace. Hamas knew exactly what their attack last week would lead to. Israel bombed a UN run school just yesterday.

PMQs is quite a tough watch as everybody takes the position that this conflict began when Hamas attacked last weekend. 30+ Palestinian children have been killed by Israeli forces in the west bank in 2023.

Whatever your take on the hideousness of each attack/crime or proportionality, it needs to be recognised that both sides would claim they are responding to aggression and our job as a country on the outside is to take a balanced pragmatic view which helps the road to peace, not to pick a side and revise history.

[Eric Cartman]

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I'm sure the far left will deicide it for us they are setting up a vigil for all to attend in London for the hospital , sadly wont be the same for the festival goes of Israel .

By the way Corbyn called Hamas friends , Sir Keir was in that cabinet and didn't speak up , he didn't resign unlike other brave Labour MP's including Jewish ones who were hounded relentlessly until they left , lovely , party moved on be fecked , Sir Kier backed JC so many times , if that was Boris there would be some drum banging .

Corbyn was called out constantly on this board but I don't remember you ever calling Boris out for anything...

[the other bob wilson]

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I just watched something by Andrew Marr on You Tube which quite impressed me. There's plenty I'm not in agreement with Marr on, but I thought he was right to emphasise that there's a need to try to avoid the aggressive falling into one of two camps that social media tends to emphasise. He did this by concentrating on the enormous numbers who would not be entirely pro Hamas or entirely pro Israel.

For myself, I cannot possibly condone what Hamas did nearly a fortnight ago, but, by the same token, Israel's attitude towards the Palestinian people over decades makes it impossible for me not to acknowledge that this has helped create a situation where an organisation like Hama can win elections.

The BBC have had to apologise for saying that the 150,000 to 200,000 who marched in London last weekend were protesting in favour of Hamas when I'm nearly 100 per cent sure that the vast majority of them were there to register their disagreement with the treatment of innocent Gaza citizens.

It's the majority with opinions somewhere in the middle that have to rise above the murderous noise we're hearing from the extremes (unfortunately represented by Hamas and, to a degree, by the Israeli Government) and try to take charge of events, but too many are blithely supporting Israel come what may and indulging Netanyahu and co like they have been is asking for more trouble.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I think the Israelis' maybe listening to a lot of folk saying not aground please , the Israeli leadership may be a bit far right but they are controlled by others and do have balanced politicians backers ..

I am waiting on the settlement scheme war for Palestinians in UK ( Scotland has stepped , up well the virtual signalling SNP not the voters over to Welsh dont forget me Drakeford )

The Israelis have balanced political backers ?

The USA ?

I think you need to go and have a lie down

[Eric Cartman]

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I just watched something by Andrew Marr on You Tube which quite impressed me. There's plenty I'm not in agreement with Marr on, but I thought he was right to emphasise that there's a need to try to avoid the aggressive falling into one of two camps that social media tends to emphasise. He did this by concentrating on the enormous numbers who would not be entirely pro Hamas or entirely pro Israel.

For myself, I cannot possibly condone what Hamas did nearly a fortnight ago, but, by the same token, Israel's attitude towards the Palestinian people over decades makes it impossible for me not to acknowledge that this has helped create a situation where an organisation like Hama can win elections.

The BBC have had to apologise for saying that the 150,000 to 200,000 who marched in London last weekend were protesting in favour of Hamas when I'm nearly 100 per cent sure that the vast majority of them were there to register their disagreement with the treatment of innocent Gaza citizens.

It's the majority with opinions somewhere in the middle that have to rise above the murderous noise we're hearing from the extremes (unfortunately represented by Hamas and, to a degree, by the Israeli Government) and try to take charge of events, but too many are blithely supporting Israel come what may and indulging Netanyahu and co like they have been is asking for more trouble.

Agree completely. As people who are largely unaffected by it, we have absolutely no right to be emotional and should try to be completely objective. I guess the issue is people feel forced into a corner and become more and more entrenched by things they see and read.

[life on mars]

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The Israelis have balanced political backers ?

The USA ?

I think you need to go and have a lie down

Like the Israeli festival goers ?

[life on mars]

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Corbyn was called out constantly on this board but I don't remember you ever calling Boris out for anything...

Would have if he had let down a party in the way Corbyn and others had put them back decades and is clearly a supporter of a terrorists and to this day displays those views ..

And so we move onto this vote reaching crap it is not a war crime to defend your self :

"" Labour councillors have quit the party in protest over Sir Keir Starmer’s stance on Israel’s planned invasion of Gaza – including the first Arab Muslim woman on Manchester City Council.

Amna Abdullatif said she had been left “no choice” other than to resign from Labour as she accused the Labour leader of “effectively endorsing a war crime”.

Boris made errors , had some cake , had some new wallpaper , go some Covid decisions wrong , got into the forefront of the vaccine right, and many will be thankful for that , he came no where near Corbyn .. who delivered the Tories 80 seats

[JamesWales]

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Seems more and more likely this tragic incident was not an Israeli attack now, from what I can read.

Either way, some of the media have some serious questions to answer jumping to the conclusion that Hamas themselves said. It's seriously escalated the situation in the last 24 hours and 'may' be based on a lie from a terrorist organisation.

[Eric Cartman]

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Seems more and more likely this tragic incident was not an Israeli attack now, from what I can read.

Either way, some of the media have some serious questions to answer jumping to the conclusion that Hamas themselves said. It's seriously escalated the situation in the last 24 hours and 'may' be based on a lie from a terrorist organisation.

The difficulty is that the consumer wants breaking news and news organisations are rewarded with views and clicks for being first.

[Rjk]

Re: 40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

Seems more and more likely this tragic incident was not an Israeli attack now, from what I can read.

Either way, some of the media have some serious questions to answer jumping to the conclusion that Hamas themselves said. It's seriously escalated the situation in the last 24 hours and 'may' be based on a lie from a terrorist organisation.

https://twitter.com/FSBRG/status/1714609431877431713?t=6_gq24FGPTiLLJ36zWyM0A&s=19

further discussion on the hospital attack

[JamesWales]

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The difficulty is that the consumer wants breaking news and news organisations are rewarded with views and clicks for being first.

Unfortunately so.

[Heathblue]

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Unfortunately so.

It's all good now, the war mongering resident has declared it wasn't done by ISRAEL, he has the evidence!!!

and for good measure he putting another shed load of wedge in GAZZA and of course, it'll not land in the pockets
of the ones who fire rockets, funding both sides of the conflict he cannot lose!!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Like the Israeli festival goers ?

What are you on about now?

[Heathblue]

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A controversial geezer but i think he has this 100% spot on.