40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

[Gofer Blue]

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What evidence is there that the ordinary Palestinian "man in the street" supports Hamas? Any opinion polls for instance? (Presumably not likely in such a place).

[Dorcus]

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https://twitter.com/alextomo/status/...zl-PStm_g&s=19

question marks over the "audio of Hamas" after the hospital attack

What evidence is there that the ordinary Palestinian "man in the street" supports Hamas? Any opinion polls for instance? (Presumably not likely in such a place).

Even more reason for the Western world to stop Israel murdering innocent people.

[JamesWales]

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It's not ridiculous in the least. The Israeli response is a "jihad" in whatever word it means in Hebrew. Why should the Palestinian people be restrained and not the Jews? Show even a modicum of balance man!

Mask is slipping a bit here, Dorcus.

It's not about sides. It's about not wanting murderous terrorists on the streets of Britain.

[Gofer Blue]

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Even more reason for the Western world to stop Israel murdering innocent people.

It is interesting that we never seem to see blokes in Hamas headgear helping to recover people trapped under collapsed buildings do we? I can just imagine the frightening scenario whereby some Hamas fanatic decides to set up a rocket launcher on the roof of your home. If you protest I assume he would happily kill you for not being a Jihadist. Israeli intelligence detects where the rocket is fired from and responds by blowing your home to smithereens along with you and your family. What a world.

[Dorcus]

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Mask is slipping a bit here, Dorcus.

It's not about sides. It's about not wanting murderous terrorists on the streets of Britain.

With our government and the US it's absolutely about sides. No one wants terrorism anywhere but in my opinion the Met police handled this issue correctly and no one needs a partisan government undermining matters.

[JamesWales]

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With our government and the US it's absolutely about sides. No one wants terrorism anywhere but in my opinion the Met police handled this issue correctly and no one needs a partisan government undermining matters.

Its not about partisan government it's about clamping down on calls for violence.

Imagine how Jewish people would feel with people getting away with that, let alone anyone else who wants to live in a civilised society.

Yeah, sure, you don't need to go in all guns blazing but I don't think people should get away with calling for jihad on our streets. Fk that.

[Dorcus]

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It is interesting that we never seem to see blokes in Hamas headgear helping to recover people trapped under collapsed buildings do we? I can just imagine the frightening scenario whereby some Hamas fanatic decides to set up a rocket launcher on the roof of your home. If you protest I assume he would happily kill you for not being a Jihadist. Israeli intelligence detects where the rocket is fired from and responds by blowing your home to smithereens along with you and your family. What a world.

Why on Earth would we hear about Hamas helping people trapped under buildings? The news is controlled by Israel and the West.

There is absolutely no way I would advocate nor back a jihad, it's utterly wrong but the point is one can understand one lone figure uttering the word out of revenge for the slaughter of his innocent people. Just like the pretext for the Israeli bombardment of Gaza by the way. If there were Jewish voices in the streets calling for a revenge attack on Gaza I didn't hear our Government trying to incriminate them.

The point is that the Western nations should be even handed in this conflict and their failure to restrain Israeli carnage means they have blood on their hands.

[Dorcus]

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Its not about partisan government it's about clamping down on calls for violence.

Imagine how Jewish people would feel with people getting away with that, let alone anyone else who wants to live in a civilised society.

Yeah, sure, you don't need to go in all guns blazing but I don't think people should get away with calling for jihad on our streets. Fk that.

Absolutely wrong, it is partizan.

The police handled it correctly; it was one lone man calling for revenge.

The more this government butts in the more they will cause much greater resistance from the Palestinian sympathisers. The more the Western powers take sides in this conflict the longer it will persist and the greater the loss of life on both sides.

[JamesWales]

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Why on Earth would we hear about Hamas helping people trapped under buildings? The news is controlled by Israel and the West.

There is absolutely no way I would advocate nor back a jihad, it's utterly wrong but the point is one can understand one lone figure uttering the word out of revenge for the slaughter of his innocent people. Just like the pretext for the Israeli bombardment of Gaza by the way. If there were Jewish voices in the streets calling for a revenge attack on Gaza I didn't hear our Government trying to incriminate them.

The point is that the Western nations should be even handed in this conflict and their failure to restrain Israeli carnage means they have blood on their hands.

It's not acceptable though. If it's acceptable for someone to talk about Jihad for revenge for "his people" (and we have no idea where those people are from..they are presumably Muslims, but they could be from anywhere) then what else is okay?

If you are cool with that then presumably you are cool with the people of Hartlepool demanding to kill asylum seekers after someone was murdered up there last week? Is that okay? Is that an understandable response?

It's indefensible really and it also undermines the perfectly legitimate and peaceful views of the overwhelming majority of people at pro Palestine marches on the weekend.

[Rjk]

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imagine if Britain had reacted to IRA terrorism in the same way as Israel have reacted to terrorism. there's no way we would have peace there now. I dread to think what would have happened

[Dorcus]

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It's not acceptable though. If it's acceptable for someone to talk about Jihad for revenge for "his people" (and we have no idea where those people are from..they are presumably Muslims, but they could be from anywhere) then what else is okay?

If you are cool with that then presumably you are cool with the people of Hartlepool demanding to kill asylum seekers after someone was murdered up there last week? Is that okay? Is that an understandable response?

It's indefensible really and it also undermines the perfectly legitimate and peaceful views of the overwhelming majority of people at pro Palestine marches on the weekend.

You are talking nonsense. Have you heard Braverman asking local Hartlepool police to arrest people calling for revenge against asylum seekers?

Revenge against the innocents is always 100% wrong. In this instance the lone call for "jihad" was contained by the police. This dreadful government is just interfering and playing performative politics to gain brownie points. Had they condemned both the initial Hamas terrorism and the Israeli retaliations they would gain more credibility and kudos.

[JamesWales]

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You are talking nonsense. Have you heard Braverman asking local Hartlepool police to arrest people calling for revenge against asylum seekers?

Revenge against the innocents is always 100% wrong. In this instance the lone call for "jihad" was contained by the police. This dreadful government is just interfering and playing performative politics to gain brownie points. Had they condemned both the initial Hamas terrorism and the Israeli retaliations they would gain more credibility and kudos.

We may be talking about different things. The video I have watched is certainly more than one person and it's in front of a banner talking about Muslim armies.

It's grim.

[Dorcus]

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We may be talking about different things. The video I have watched is certainly more than one person and it's in front of a banner talking about Muslim armies.

It's grim.

The point is that it's been contained by the police. There is absolutely no call for government interference here which is likely to make matters worse. There are times when less is more.

[JamesWales]

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The point is that it's been contained by the police. There is absolutely no call for government interference here which is likely to make matters worse. There are times when less is more.

Contained, as in they got away with it. If you invite religious or racial violence it's normally considered a crime. Perhaps everyone should get away with it now? I don't think that's a good idea.

Careful what you wish for!

[Gofer Blue]

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Why on Earth would we hear about Hamas helping people trapped under buildings? The news is controlled by Israel and the West.

There is absolutely no way I would advocate nor back a jihad, it's utterly wrong but the point is one can understand one lone figure uttering the word out of revenge for the slaughter of his innocent people. Just like the pretext for the Israeli bombardment of Gaza by the way. If there were Jewish voices in the streets calling for a revenge attack on Gaza I didn't hear our Government trying to incriminate them.

The point is that the Western nations should be even handed in this conflict and their failure to restrain Israeli carnage means they have blood on their hands.

So you think everything we see in the media, for example Al Jazeera news which is not exactly pro-Israel/West, is carefully vetted so as to be sure to exclude any images of Hamas fighters helping in rescue attempts? Pull the other one. Hamas have no interest in the common man, they are Jihadists pure and simple, just like ISIS.

Everyone has blood on their hands in this conflict not least the folk who supply Hamas with weapons which enables them to attack Israel in the first place.