Labours stop the shirkers policy

[North Cardiff Blue]

Will it work?

Not very socailist?

[Heathblue]

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Will it work?

Not very socailist?

Apparently, A pension you might have paid into for 50+years is now a benefit :hehe:
socialists here socialists there socialists every fkin where repeat to fade
10 x more despicable than Thatcher, I might have to vote again :hehe:

[Eric Cartman]

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Not sure what heathblue is on about. I have just read the summary on the BBC and it doesn't look like it does much to me. It in part seems to aim to reduce the overhead on cases where the claimants ability to work will never change, which is a good thing.

[Wales-Bales]

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[JamesWales]

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The country is in enormous trouble, and it's absolutely been turbo boosted by COVID and working from home which on a mass scale is a huge ingredient for shocking mental health. God help kids today

[Eric Cartman]

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The country is in enormous trouble, and it's absolutely been turbo boosted by COVID and working from home which on a mass scale is a huge ingredient for shocking mental health. God help kids today

I might be an outlier but I love working from home. Not donating an hour or two a day to physically getting to work, eat better, but at the same time I know I'm not someone who really needs to be in the middle of something to be happy. My mate from uni is hating fully remote because he's a full on extrovert that needs that buzzing environment, different strokes and all that.

[superfeathers]

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I might be an outlier but I love working from home. Not donating an hour or two a day to physically getting to work, eat better, but at the same time I know I'm not someone who really needs to be in the middle of something to be happy. My mate from uni is hating fully remote because he's a full on extrovert that needs that buzzing environment, different strokes and all that.

Agree with this. WFH has been a massive benefit to me in terms of increasing exercise and reducing stress, bad eating etc. I’ve always been fine with just my own company though. There’s so many people who it wouldn’t suit at all though and I think for people just starting out in their career it would be a massive negative.

Back to the op what they’ve announced doesn’t seem overly dramatic.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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The country is in enormous trouble, and it's absolutely been turbo boosted by COVID and working from home which on a mass scale is a huge ingredient for shocking mental health. God help kids today

Talk about mental health every day on social media, here, in the pub, and on the news and people will believe they have, or maybe developed bad mental health.

In the old days when people had it, a lot didn't know they had it.

What I'm trying to say is you can talk yourself into it.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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The country is in enormous trouble, and it's absolutely been turbo boosted by COVID and working from home which on a mass scale is a huge ingredient for shocking mental health. God help kids today

This exercise though is to try and find the people pretending to have poor mental health issues that they don't have, it's the modern-day bad back.

[JamesWales]

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I think two things can be true at once. There is no question that given any benefit of process there will be some that will seek to exploit or cheat the system and mental health is perhaps an example of that.

But there is absolutely truth in what's happening too. Young and vulnerable people are suffering from worsening mental health and there are no doubt many causes but a lack of interaction, shared spaces, experiences and events is absolutely part of this. Top of the list here is the millions of people who used to work together and now work alone. It goes way beyond the positives of flexibility or the odd day at home and actually entrenches existing inequalities, with those with happier home lives, large homes, the money to heat them, who have benefitted from decades of in-person learning being far less exposed than the young, those on power incomes, those who benefit from in person learning, those in shared housing etc now asked to work from the same room they sleep in.

There is a real crisis going on, it's not made up at all. Lots and lots of people have real thoughts about what the purpose of this all is and find many aspects of modern life deeply dystopian.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I think two things can be true at once. There is no question that given any benefit of process there will be some that will seek to exploit or cheat the system and mental health is perhaps an example of that.

But there is absolutely truth in what's happening too. Young and vulnerable people are suffering from worsening mental health and there are no doubt many causes but a lack of interaction, shared spaces, experiences and events is absolutely part of this. Top of the list here is the millions of people who used to work together and now work alone. It goes way beyond the positives of flexibility or the odd day at home and actually entrenches existing inequalities, with those with happier home lives, large homes, the money to heat them, who have benefitted from decades of in-person learning being far less exposed than the young, those on power incomes, those who benefit from in person learning, those in shared housing etc now asked to work from the same room they sleep in.

There is a real crisis going on, it's not made up at all. Lots and lots of people have real thoughts about what the purpose of this all is and find many aspects of modern life deeply dystopian.

I'm a fan of young people getting back to the office for the reasons you list. I think most would benefit, but there will always be loners who are better away from humans, we have loads of them on here. So I think the hybrid model would fit most businesses and staff with maybe at least two full days in the office each week and more for people who want to go back more often.

[Eric Cartman]

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I think two things can be true at once. There is no question that given any benefit of process there will be some that will seek to exploit or cheat the system and mental health is perhaps an example of that.

But there is absolutely truth in what's happening too. Young and vulnerable people are suffering from worsening mental health and there are no doubt many causes but a lack of interaction, shared spaces, experiences and events is absolutely part of this. Top of the list here is the millions of people who used to work together and now work alone. It goes way beyond the positives of flexibility or the odd day at home and actually entrenches existing inequalities, with those with happier home lives, large homes, the money to heat them, who have benefitted from decades of in-person learning being far less exposed than the young, those on power incomes, those who benefit from in person learning, those in shared housing etc now asked to work from the same room they sleep in.

There is a real crisis going on, it's not made up at all. Lots and lots of people have real thoughts about what the purpose of this all is and find many aspects of modern life deeply dystopian.

Yeah it will be part of it for some people but I think there is a danger that you are identifying the problem (working remotely) and then searching for data to fit to that. The reality is it works for some people and it doesn't work for others, and if you want either of those you can make sacrifices to find a job that suits you. Ultimately you have to find your own peace, for some people that is distraction and keeping artificially busy, for me having the time to go on an hour's walk a day on my own makes a massive difference.

I think you are spot on not to view this predominantly as a 'people taking the piss out of the system' problem though. Mental health is very real and resilience fluctuates. I have had times where every little thing affects me and times where nothing affects me.

My worry with any government policy around this is the stick is easier to deploy than the carrot, it's far easier to choose to punish someone into action than to carefully encourage them into action.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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This exercise though is to try and find the people pretending to have poor mental health issues that they don't have, it's the modern-day bad back.

No it isn't that's fecking bollocks

It's making it harder for genuinely unwell people to get support by moving the goalposts

If you have cancer and you can't work then if you make the test to get help even harder to pass .....you still have cancer and you still can't work


In several years time many of the people who think ....oh its only to catch out the skivers or those making it up are going to be needing care , support and help

I look forward to the cries of outrage when your sort are on here moaning and weeping that despite being ill with cancer or heart disease or serious depression ....which like cancer doesn't care if you vote Tory, are rich , poor or whatever ......that it's outrageous that YOU cant get help or support

And I will be waiting to tell you to kiss your own arse , tough luck , cry away all day

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I think two things can be true at once. There is no question that given any benefit of process there will be some that will seek to exploit or cheat the system and mental health is perhaps an example of that.

But there is absolutely truth in what's happening too. Young and vulnerable people are suffering from worsening mental health and there are no doubt many causes but a lack of interaction, shared spaces, experiences and events is absolutely part of this. Top of the list here is the millions of people who used to work together and now work alone. It goes way beyond the positives of flexibility or the odd day at home and actually entrenches existing inequalities, with those with happier home lives, large homes, the money to heat them, who have benefitted from decades of in-person learning being far less exposed than the young, those on power incomes, those who benefit from in person learning, those in shared housing etc now asked to work from the same room they sleep in.

There is a real crisis going on, it's not made up at all. Lots and lots of people have real thoughts about what the purpose of this all is and find many aspects of modern life deeply dystopian.

Lots of people drive , a minority get pissed

It's against the law to park in disabled bays unless you have a blue badge , a minority do it

A minority of people are in prison , most people are not

But benefits ? .....oh they are all at ,swinging the lead , I know 4 blokes in my street and my aunty gwen knows even more ! .....gossip , gossip , gossip

[North Cardiff Blue]

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No it isn't that's fecking bollocks

It's making it harder for genuinely unwell people to get support by moving the goalposts

If you have cancer and you can't work then if you make the test to get help even harder to pass .....you still have cancer and you still can't work


In several years time many of the people who think ....oh its only to catch out the skivers or those making it up are going to be needing care , support and help

I look forward to the cries of outrage when your sort are on here moaning and weeping that despite being ill with cancer or heart disease or serious depression ....which like cancer doesn't care if you vote Tory, are rich , poor or whatever ......that it's outrageous that YOU cant get help or support

And I will be waiting to tell you to kiss your own arse , tough luck , cry away all day

Don't take things personally, it's not aimed at you or anyone on here. I understand the vast majority of people are genuine.

The problem is there are far too many who are not and are trying to milk the system, and there just isn't enough money for the liberals, the Tories, reform, or Labour to keep paying people who don't need it, and that can work.

If you are going to get angry get angry at them, if people are pretending to have cancer or MS or Parkinsons, they need to be found and stopped from claiming also.

Do you realise that if this carries on without being addressed, there will be no welfare system left at all, so genuine people in the future will miss out?

PS won't happen to me, I'm mentally strong.