Labours stop the shirkers policy

[JamesWales]

Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

It is a benefit. You pay the government, they decide how they spend the money you get. It doesn't get saved in an account for you. Benefits aren't bad, all people who are struggling should get them. That's the entire point of the welfare state.

Exactly.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Exactly.

Struggling financially yes

But not across the board universal benefits , of any kind , for someone with 5 million in the bank

Thatcher used to say run the country like a business didn't she ? Well whilst she threw money away like confetti at times it's crazy for a country in financial peril to be awarding non means tested benefits to financially secure people wether they are old or not or vulnerable or not

How that system is sorted out is the issue

Labour have utterly screwed this up but it's laughable to hear tory voters quoting the daily mail about financial hardship when the power of the state was used on striking miners in some of the most vulnerable communities across the UK

Those complaining about the poor pensioners were cheering and clapping the Conservative government in 1984

[Heathblue]

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If people weren't so selfish and greedy they wouldn't give a fish's tit about less fortunate people receiving benefits. But no the selfish always wants more more more and their attitude is b*****ks to the needy among us.

Are you talking about your two tier of kier and those who elected him ADE ?

[JamesWales]

Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

Struggling financially yes

But not across the board universal benefits , of any kind , for someone with 5 million in the bank

Thatcher used to say run the country like a business didn't she ? Well whilst she threw money away like confetti at times it's crazy for a country in financial peril to be awarding non means tested benefits to financially secure people wether they are old or not or vulnerable or not

How that system is sorted out is the issue

Labour have utterly screwed this up but it's laughable to hear tory voters quoting the daily mail about financial hardship when the power of the state was used on striking miners in some of the most vulnerable communities across the UK

Those complaining about the poor pensioners were cheering and clapping the Conservative government in 1984

Thatcher was 40 years ago Sludge. A tonne of massive social and structural changes since then

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Thatcher was 40 years ago Sludge. A tonne of massive social and structural changes since then

That's irrelevant

If people are slapping starmer for some of his decisions ....and that's fair enough ...then please don't insult others intelligence because the conservatives were stiffing the country from 1979 to 1997

I mean people are moaning about the care system and energy prices

Who fecking sent those vital areas out to the private sector ?

And the cost of returning it all back so we have decent services ?

Astronomical and never going to happen

A tonne of insane structural changes , to this day screwing up social services for the vulnerable and hiking energy for all

And brought in and lauded by right wing libertarian Adam smith bollocks

[JamesWales]

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That's irrelevant

If people are slapping starmer for some of his decisions ....and that's fair enough ...then please don't insult others intelligence because the conservatives were stiffing the country from 1979 to 1997

I mean people are moaning about the care system and energy prices

Who fecking sent those vital areas out to the private sector ?

And the cost of returning it all back so we have decent services ?

Astronomical and never going to happen

A tonne of insane structural changes , to this day screwing up social services for the vulnerable and hiking energy for all

And brought in and lauded by right wing libertarian Adam smith bollocks

It's definitely not irrelevant. It's like talking about the problems of the 80s and only talking about the second world war.

I wasn't even born but I know the country was in a massive state before she got elected too, so the idea she made it much worse and that's the cause of today's problems is way too simplistic and false.

I said this before. You have often cited a Labour / Green /Liberal ticket as the ideal. It's exactly what Germany had and they just got unceremoniously kicked out cos they failed.

The problems aren't caused by one thing not solved by another and if there is one over-riding cause or solution it most definitely doesn't come from electing a certain party or not

[Dorcus]

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It's definitely not irrelevant. It's like talking about the problems of the 80s and only talking about the second world war.

I wasn't even born but I know the country was in a massive state before she got elected too, so the idea she made it much worse and that's the cause of today's problems is way too simplistic and false.

I said this before. You have often cited a Labour / Green /Liberal ticket as the ideal. It's exactly what Germany had and they just got unceremoniously kicked out cos they failed.

The problems aren't caused by one thing not solved by another and if there is one over-riding cause or solution it most definitely doesn't come from electing a certain party or not

That's just life you're talking about. There will always be problems and issues. Perfection is out of reach. It depends on your outlook and ethics but some solutions are better than others if only on moral grounds.

[the other bob wilson]

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Thatcher was 40 years ago Sludge. A tonne of massive social and structural changes since then

The gap between the richest and poorest has been getting bigger since the 80s, so many of our current problems, including what happened in 2008, have their roots in Reaganomics and Thatcher’s “economic miracle”.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The gap between the richest and poorest has been getting bigger since the 80s, so many of our current problems, including what happened in 2008, have their roots in Reaganomics and Thatcher’s “economic miracle”.

It's like talking to a monkey with half a brain

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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It's like talking to a monkey with half a brain

You have experience of this ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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You have experience of this ?

Yes NCB , Pipster

Complete half wits

[Tuerto]

Re: Labours stop the shirkers policy

It's definitely not irrelevant. It's like talking about the problems of the 80s and only talking about the second world war.

I wasn't even born but I know the country was in a massive state before she got elected too, so the idea she made it much worse and that's the cause of today's problems is way too simplistic and false.

I said this before. You have often cited a Labour / Green /Liberal ticket as the ideal. It's exactly what Germany had and they just got unceremoniously kicked out cos they failed.

The problems aren't caused by one thing not solved by another and if there is one over-riding cause or solution it most definitely doesn't come from electing a certain party or not

Thatchers remit was to crush any power the working classes had, and by any means necessary, even if it meant generational unemployment, sickness and benefits, an ideological attack on working people, no more no less. So yeas, plenty has gone on after thatcher, but it could be said that she made such a good job of creating an underclass that those who have succeeded her were taking notes.

[Eric Cartman]

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It's definitely not irrelevant. It's like talking about the problems of the 80s and only talking about the second world war.

I wasn't even born but I know the country was in a massive state before she got elected too, so the idea she made it much worse and that's the cause of today's problems is way too simplistic and false.

I said this before. You have often cited a Labour / Green /Liberal ticket as the ideal. It's exactly what Germany had and they just got unceremoniously kicked out cos they failed.

The problems aren't caused by one thing not solved by another and if there is one over-riding cause or solution it most definitely doesn't come from electing a certain party or not

Yeah but there is a distinction between policies which can be reversed and policies which absolute can't and almost every problem that we face now can be traced back to Thatcher and there is no going back.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Yeah but there is a distinction between policies which can be reversed and policies which absolute can't and almost every problem that we face now can be traced back to Thatcher and there is no going back.

Bullseye

The costs to the country of putting social care provision back into state control and the culling of all these energy companies into one or two would be astronomical and screw the country

Thanks Thatcher.....who said to those dumb enough to support it that privatisation would lead to better service to the " customer " ( old lady and her family honouring her wishes to stay at home )

The very same money chasers are now slagging off local councils for not looking after their vulnerable relatives through the daily mail comments page

Look in the mirror , you voted for it

[JamesWales]

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Yeah but there is a distinction between policies which can be reversed and policies which absolute can't and almost every problem that we face now can be traced back to Thatcher and there is no going back.

But that's just not true is it. It's the kind of thing they people say cos it's polite in certain circles but it'd just not true. For example, Britain is experiencing the same problems as countries that never had Thatcher are experiencing.

Sorry to say, but "Thatcher" is the kind of thing that left wing people who own their own homes in nice places tend to say to cover their own backs and to avoid awkward discussions about the real issues that face us in 2025 not 1985