Labours stop the shirkers policy

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The general argument against it is that it costs a lot to administer means testing. Also, the whole system becomes flakier if it relies on people putting money in but then not being able to benefit from it.

Some means testing is right, but some should also be universal. Otherwise, why not ask to see people's bank accounts before they go on the operating table?

The wealthy should pay more in tax, but they have a right to benefit from that collective funding in some cases too.

If benefits should be means tested then so should everything else

The government shouldn't be throwing out winter fuel payments to some couple living on a country manor with a servant whilst some are freezing with no money for the meter

It should have been tackled years ago and Labour handled it appallingly and deserve the abuse they got

A huge financial ongoing threat is the triple lock pension which is the grim reaper and the biggest drain by far

Unless that's dealt with it's going to crucify this country far quicker than the spiralling benefits Bill

But

[JamesWales]

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If benefits should be means tested then so should everything else

The government shouldn't be throwing out winter fuel payments to some couple living on a country manor with a servant whilst some are freezing with no money for the meter

It should have been tackled years ago and Labour handled it appallingly and deserve the abuse they got

A huge financial ongoing threat is the triple lock pension which is the grim reaper and the biggest drain by far

Unless that's dealt with it's going to crucify this country far quicker than the spiralling benefits Bill

But

Unless I'm mistaken then you are essentially arguing for the end of universal healthcare and the NHS as we know it?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Apparently, A pension you might have paid into for 50+years is now a benefit
socialists here socialists there socialists every fkin where repeat to fade
10 x more despicable than Thatcher, I might have to vote again

You don't pay into a state pension. That's not how it works. It is a benefit, that's how it's always been. It's not the "socialists" who have used benefits as a slander for the last God knows how many years, and it isn't socialists who've brought the country to its knees.

[JamesWales]

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You don't pay into a state pension. That's not how it works. It is a benefit, that's how it's always been. It's not the "socialists" who have used benefits as a slander for the last God knows how many years, and it isn't socialists who've brought the country to its knees.

Surely we pay into it, through taxation and national insurance etc?

That's how it is supposed to work. You pay in when you can. You get the benefit when you need it. The issues arise when there is a perception people get something for nothing esp when others are struggling etc.

Either way I don't see how the state pension isn't a benefit that we all pay into?

[Dorcus]

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You don't pay into a state pension. That's not how it works. It is a benefit, that's how it's always been. It's not the "socialists" who have used benefits as a slander for the last God knows how many years, and it isn't socialists who've brought the country to its knees.

Absolutely true, it's a state sponsored Ponzi scheme affording the illusion of it being an investment.

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Unless I'm mistaken then you are essentially arguing for the end of universal healthcare and the NHS as we know it?

You are indeed completely and utterly mistaken but it's going to happen at some point

[Dorcus]

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You are indeed completely and utterly mistaken but it's going to happen at some point

It absolutely has to happen, logistically and financially it's the only measure that will preserve the main aims of the NHS. The World has moved on since 1948.

[JamesWales]

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It absolutely has to happen, logistically and financially it's the only measure that will preserve the main aims of the NHS. The World has moved on since 1948.

People just won't pay for it. The whole service as we know it would collapse in that scenario

[Dorcus]

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People just won't pay for it. The whole service as we know it would collapse in that scenario

I'm not so sure about that. People will have to pay their taxes come what may. Some people will just have to suck it up.

[J R Hartley]

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Sludge rattled that he’s going to lose his PIP me thinks

[JamesWales]

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I'm not so sure about that. People will have to pay their taxes come what may. Some people will just have to suck it up.

Mate they wont pay their taxes to the have to pay for healthcare only for others to get it for free on their behalf, esp if those people haven't been in the country long.

Policies like that would be a recipe for a very radical party to come in, or civil discord or both

[North Cardiff Blue]

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You are an idiot

Mentally strong ? U utter fool

If a bloke can go to Iraq and get so ill with what he's seen he need to be in a psychiatric hospital then it can definitely happen to you as you are clearly not as mentally strong ....what a stupid self view ....as him

If you were in a serious car crash , if you were robbed by a Gunman, if you saw your loved ones die then being mentally strong doesn't come into it you idiot

And if you then needed help and support I sincerely hope you would be on a very long waiting list like everyone else

You do realise that there were World wars and people saw horrendous things, got to the end of the WAR, and cracked on and rebuilt the Country???

Some people are mentally strong and some are not otherwise the NHS couldn't cope because everyone would be in there at once saying they are stressed or anxious asking for help.

More people are suffering from taking too much dope than being in the army in Iraq.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Go and play with your mentally strong mind you idiot

How can you play with your mind?

[Alfresco]

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The system is open to abuse in its current form.

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The system is open to abuse in its current form.

I agree as is the tax system and free bus passes and disabled parking badges