Labours stop the shirkers policy

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But that's just not true is it. It's the kind of thing they people say cos it's polite in certain circles but it'd just not true. For example, Britain is experiencing the same problems as countries that never had Thatcher are experiencing.

Sorry to say, but "Thatcher" is the kind of thing that left wing people who own their own homes in nice places tend to say to cover their own backs and to avoid awkward discussions about the real issues that face us in 2025 not 1985

You are talking bollocks again and typical what about etc

Those who don't vote confecinservative have already shown in less than a year that they can criticise the new government and have done so on here and many other forums

You lot just won't take any bad mouthing of your precious right wing lot at all , ever

It's embarrassing for you , everyone can see it and yet you go on and on

You must think we all came down to earth in the last shower of rain

[the other bob wilson]

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But that's just not true is it. It's the kind of thing they people say cos it's polite in certain circles but it'd just not true. For example, Britain is experiencing the same problems as countries that never had Thatcher are experiencing.

Sorry to say, but "Thatcher" is the kind of thing that left wing people who own their own homes in nice places tend to say to cover their own backs and to avoid awkward discussions about the real issues that face us in 2025 not 1985

How old were you in 1985? Thatcher, and Reagan, were considered radicals when they were elected in 1979 and 1980 respectively, but their policies are still sticking to tight monetary control policies with direct taxation only rising as a last resort forty years on.

https://academic.oup.com/cje/article/44/2/319/5550923

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How old were you in 1985? Thatcher, and Reagan, were considered radicals when they were elected in 1979 and 1980 respectively, but their policies are still sticking to tight monetary control policies with direct taxation only rising as a last resort forty years on.

https://academic.oup.com/cje/article/44/2/319/5550923

Taxes across the board HAVE to be raised to increase funding into the NHS , care , schools , construction

And given the current climate if someone is still insisting on two holidays in the sun or that new car every 3 years on finance then I am afraid it's wake up and smell the coffee

It's absolutely no good in carrying on with this stupid idea that low taxation and cuts can get us through and the NHS for example can still keep going

The conservatives have pushed this nonsense for years and I sincerely hope that it's eventually binned

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But that's just not true is it. It's the kind of thing they people say cos it's polite in certain circles but it'd just not true. For example, Britain is experiencing the same problems as countries that never had Thatcher are experiencing.

Sorry to say, but "Thatcher" is the kind of thing that left wing people who own their own homes in nice places tend to say to cover their own backs and to avoid awkward discussions about the real issues that face us in 2025 not 1985

There are loads of middle class people living in nice areas who own their own homes who want higher taxation to pay for the better of the country

It is Thatcher and the no such thing as society bullshit that changed things

It's all about the money in MY pocket with your lot and all this crap about low taxation and tight spending is hogwash .....its all about the individual with post Thatcher Britain

[JamesWales]

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You are talking bollocks again and typical what about etc

Those who don't vote confecinservative have already shown in less than a year that they can criticise the new government and have done so on here and many other forums

You lot just won't take any bad mouthing of your precious right wing lot at all , ever

It's embarrassing for you , everyone can see it and yet you go on and on

You must think we all came down to earth in the last shower of rain

No, the reality is there is 40 years of history between the mid-Thatcher period and now that you ignore!

Guaranteed you blame everything on Toshack being sold too!

[Dorcus]

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No, the reality is there is 40 years of history between the mid-Thatcher period and now that you ignore!

Guaranteed you blame everything on Toshack being sold too!

I think the Ramsey sale was a bigger mistake

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Yes NCB , Pipster

Complete half wits

The saying you are trying to remember is, "It's like trying to play chess with a chimp." I often use it regarding chats with you.

All this anger because Starmer wants your PIP, the irony.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Struggling financially yes

But not across the board universal benefits , of any kind , for someone with 5 million in the bank

Thatcher used to say run the country like a business didn't she ? Well whilst she threw money away like confetti at times it's crazy for a country in financial peril to be awarding non means tested benefits to financially secure people wether they are old or not or vulnerable or not

How that system is sorted out is the issue

Labour have utterly screwed this up but it's laughable to hear tory voters quoting the daily mail about financial hardship when the power of the state was used on striking miners in some of the most vulnerable communities across the UK

Those complaining about the poor pensioners were cheering and clapping the Conservative government in 1984

It's Thatchers fault, Reeves has over taxed businesses that will lead to closures and no growth in the economy, that will lead to unemployment and people thinking, I can't work again I'll try for PIP, yes OK Sludge whatever you say.

[Wales-Bales]

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It's Thatchers fault, Reeves has over taxed businesses that will lead to closures and no growth in the economy, that will lead to unemployment and people thinking, I can't work again I'll try for PIP, yes OK Sludge whatever you say.

STG innit.

[JamesWales]

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Always Thatchers fault! Some people may argue that the same industrial decline was happening elsewhere in the west and that decades have passed and we've seen the end of communism in Europe, an expanded EU, mass free markets, immigration on an unprecedented scale, war in Europe, numerous wars in the middle east, various changes of government, the rise of the green movement, pandemics, the rise and fall of Leo Fortune West and everything else.

None of that matters. It all comes down to Maggie 🥴

[the other bob wilson]

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Always Thatchers fault! Some people may argue that the same industrial decline was happening elsewhere in the west and that decades have passed and we've seen the end of communism in Europe, an expanded EU, mass free markets, immigration on an unprecedented scale, war in Europe, numerous wars in the middle east, various changes of government, the rise of the green movement, pandemics, the rise and fall of Leo Fortune West and everything else.

None of that matters. It all comes down to Maggie ��

Good grief, I haven’t been paying as much attention to this board since the electi9n in July and it’s amazing to see how your standards have slipped in that time.

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The saying you are trying to remember is, "It's like trying to play chess with a chimp." I often use it regarding chats with you.

All this anger because Starmer wants your PIP, the irony.

Starmer isn't getting my pip because I am not on it you dull cnut

But for those that are it's people like you who are never going to need it ....good luck with winning the lottery .....that cause just as much hassle as the minority of those swinging it

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The saying you are trying to remember is, "It's like trying to play chess with a chimp." I often use it regarding chats with you.

All this anger because Starmer wants your PIP, the irony.

In my case chatting to a sanctimonious tory I am alright Jack like you is like playing chess with a cxxt

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Always Thatchers fault! Some people may argue that the same industrial decline was happening elsewhere in the west and that decades have passed and we've seen the end of communism in Europe, an expanded EU, mass free markets, immigration on an unprecedented scale, war in Europe, numerous wars in the middle east, various changes of government, the rise of the green movement, pandemics, the rise and fall of Leo Fortune West and everything else.

None of that matters. It all comes down to Maggie ��

The appalling state of the care system is absolutely on her back as she fecking privatised it !

Yet here we are tory boys writing into the daily mail crying because their beloved mother is isolated at home and dependent on poor quality care provided by poorly paid staff with poor motivation but run by private care companies ...poorly vetted .....very little scrutiny....

I am afraid it's tough luck as this lot consistently voted for privatisation

[JamesWales]

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The appalling state of the care system is absolutely on her back as she fecking privatised it !

Yet here we are tory boys writing into the daily mail crying because their beloved mother is isolated at home and dependent on poor quality care provided by poorly paid staff with poor motivation but run by private care companies ...poorly vetted .....very little scrutiny....

I am afraid it's tough luck as this lot consistently voted for privatisation

Wasn't aware we were just talking about the care system, but the NHS spends an extraordinary amount on care, much of it provided privately but any government could have bought that back in house if they wanted, and they haven't. The NHS itself has never spent as much as now. The budget is enormous

This is the thing, you go on about Thatcher, but we've had, what, ten PMs since then? We've had enormous social, technological and economic change and you just harking back to Thatcher, who undoubtedly did some bad and good, does remind me of the guy who's only contribution to the Cardiff City question is to say "Well they should never have sold Toshack to Liverpool".

Time to move on Sludge, you can't pin everything on someone who has been decades gone and ignore the enormous changes and prime ministers since then, and I agree with you on some of the private service providers esp the cost of residential care btw