Palestine Action

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Palestine Action

Well, well, well - who’d have thought it? As I mentioned “a very moveable opinion on accepting the law of the land”.

One law for us and one law for that JW !

Two tier justice !

Vote reform !

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Palestine Action

Driving 24 mph is hardly the same as supporting a proscribed terrorist group is it? Or being flabbergasted when if someone got a fine for it!
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That's like me finding any example of you believing in the rule of law and claiming thats a gotcha too!

Its exactly the same

The law on Palestinian action is stupid , many people think so but its the law

You think the 20 mph law was stupid . But it was the law. If you hit a kid whilst driving 24 mph in a 20 and kill them .......I am afraid even JW who think that law is stupid and its ok to break it .....ends up in prison

Gotcha

[JamesWales]

Re: Palestine Action

Its exactly the same

The law on Palestinian action is stupid , many people think so but its the law

You think the 20 mph law was stupid . But it was the law. If you hit a kid whilst driving 24 mph in a 20 and kill them .......I am afraid even JW who think that law is stupid and its ok to break it .....ends up in prison

Gotcha

I don't dispute it's the law at all, and I don't dispute that people who drove over the limit would face a fine. If I did the equivalent of organising a group of people to drive over the limit in front of a police station I would expect a fine.

You can think the proscription of P.A is stupid. You are welcome to think that, but it doesn't mean the law won't be enforced. It will. Just as it was against thousands of people driving over the new speed limits.

[az city]

Re: Palestine Action

You're at the bottom of the Grand Canyon on this, Jimbo. Keep digging and you'll likely hit your homeland of Hades.

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Palestine Action

Well, well, well - who’d have thought it? As I mentioned “a very moveable opinion on accepting the law of the land”.

It's called 'nuance' Bob.

[Tuerto]

Re: Palestine Action

It's called 'nuance' Bob.

Yeah, Jimbo likes that word, He gets it mixed up with the word 'Wrong'

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Palestine Action

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/aug/11/palestine-action-protest-britain-government

[JamesWales]

Re: Palestine Action

You're at the bottom of the Grand Canyon on this, Jimbo. Keep digging and you'll likely hit your homeland of Hades.

For understanding why a policy of targeting the military could get you proscribed and for understanding that supporting such groups will get you arrested. Some canyon!

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Palestine Action

For understanding why a policy of targeting the military could get you proscribed and for understanding that supporting such groups will get you arrested. Some canyon!

Look, I think most contributors realise you have some personal need to serve about your intellect and debating skills but you are making yourself look slightly ridiculous when viewed over time.

Farmers blocking roads about inheritance tax or other grievances, let's start threads about stupid government picking silly fights against those with just cause.

Just Stop Oil or Extinction Rebellion causing disruption, idiots stopping people going about their legitimate business.

That's before this little charade about when you think it is right and proper for people to disobey or break the law. Answer, in your own words, when you think a law is stupid breaking it should not be punishable and when you think it sound then those breaking it should be punished.

Most contributors to this section of the board have polarised views and favour a certain type of protestor. You seem unique in thinking you are some voice of consistent reason about the merits of a protest or law break, despite all the evidence to the contrary!

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Re: Palestine Action

For understanding why a policy of targeting the military could get you proscribed and for understanding that supporting such groups will get you arrested. Some canyon!

Take the L and walk away James

[JamesWales]

Re: Palestine Action

Look, I think most contributors realise you have some personal need to serve about your intellect and debating skills but you are making yourself look slightly ridiculous when viewed over time.

Farmers blocking roads about inheritance tax or other grievances, let's start threads about stupid government picking silly fights against those with just cause.

Just Stop Oil or Extinction Rebellion causing disruption, idiots stopping people going about their legitimate business.

That's before this little charade about when you think it is right and proper for people to disobey or break the law. Answer, in your own words, when you think a law is stupid breaking it should not be punishable and when you think it sound then those breaking it should be punished.

Most contributors to this section of the board have polarised views and favour a certain type of protestor. You seem unique in thinking you are some voice of consistent reason about the merits of a protest or law break, despite all the evidence to the contrary!

Weird for someone forensic enough to spend their time trawling through old posts is not able to Google the difference between the examples you give and farmers, extinction rebellion or anyone else, is that one group is illegal and the other isn't.

You could ask yourself why the government did that but of course that would require you to consider for a short moment that maybe you backed the wrong horse here and shock of shocks, you and others may be wrong. Heaven forbid, it seems unlikely, but maybe thats possible?! Clearly there is a grand conspiracy at play! Even Bob said the police and govt are probably lying about engine costs.

Yes, people do have polarized views. If it were another group destroying something for their own end (let's say lifeboats or police vehicles or fire engines) and they were a proscribed right-wing group you would all be demanding the police take action...Sludge would be calling people Nazis faster than you can count to ten. When it suits you, you don't want it.

I don't think I'm unique in being a voice I reason and never remotely said that (you are superb at targeting strawmen I'll grant you that!)

I'm just happy to devolve the law to (checks notes) umm lawmakers instead of a bunch of old lefties on a football message board!

[az city]

Re: Palestine Action

Jimbo, have you ever heard of "jurisprudence"?

You clearly have absolutely zero understanding of it.

With proscription, you want to define right and wrong with reference to legality. It appears legality overrides all opinions for you.

With breaking traffic laws, you want to ignore your own legality argument as it doesn't suit your opinion that the law is wrong.

You can't have it both ways.

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Palestine Action

Reading that, you can only be grateful that those who got stupid and unfair laws changed down the centuries, sometimes paying with their lives for their beliefs, defied the powers that be of their day, rather than adapt your rather moveable acceptance of obeying the law of the land, All you've done for nearly a day now is talk to us as if we're too dense to understand the only point you keep on making to justify your opinion - everyone understands what you're saying, it's not as if it will all suddenly click into place and we'll say "James Wales was right you know".

Also, what was this "targetting" of UK Military equipment you talk about? They spray painted it, does spray painting stop modern and sophisticated weaponry working? Does it destroy it? How does spray painting anything warrant an accusation of terrorism and proscribing of the organisation responsible?

I'd imagine 'spray painting' a load of paint does do a little bit to the inside of an engine tbh. Not sure I'd fancy flying on something that had taken 25 litres of Dulux right into it's fan 🤣

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Palestine Action

Weird for someone forensic enough to spend their time trawling through old posts is not able to Google the difference between the examples you give and farmers, extinction rebellion or anyone else, is that one group is illegal and the other isn't.

You could ask yourself why the government did that but of course that would require you to consider for a short moment that maybe you backed the wrong horse here and shock of shocks, you and others may be wrong. Heaven forbid, it seems unlikely, but maybe thats possible?! Clearly there is a grand conspiracy at play! Even Bob said the police and govt are probably lying about engine costs.

Yes, people do have polarized views. If it were another group destroying something for their own end (let's say lifeboats or police vehicles or fire engines) and they were a proscribed right-wing group you would all be demanding the police take action...Sludge would be calling people Nazis faster than you can count to ten. When it suits you, you don't want it.

I don't think I'm unique in being a voice I reason and never remotely said that (you are superb at targeting strawmen I'll grant you that!)

I'm just happy to devolve the law to (checks notes) umm lawmakers instead of a bunch of old lefties on a football message board!

Except the law makers who bought in the 20 mph speed limit it seems.

[JamesWales]

Re: Palestine Action

Jimbo, have you ever heard of "jurisprudence"?

You clearly have absolutely zero understanding of it.

With proscription, you want to define right and wrong with reference to legality. It appears legality overrides all opinions for you.

With breaking traffic laws, you want to ignore your own legality argument as it doesn't suit your opinion that the law is wrong.

You can't have it both ways.

In which case, neither can you! As for the prescription, we will all have opinions, but it is up to lawmakers to determine what should and shouldn't be proscribed and it is entirely understandable that they will enforce it, especially for something as serious as proscribed groups.