Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

He's useless and the party is still tainted by corbyn

****inell...

Give it up now.

[Tuerto]

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Using another sporting analogy, old pro boxer, punch drunk, lacking mental acumen, doing the same things over and over again. Should never have gone back in the ring but his ego wouldnt let go.

I think he's unravelling (politically).

Spot on..

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Using another sporting analogy, old pro boxer, punch drunk, lacking mental acumen, doing the same things over and over again. Should never have gone back in the ring but his ego wouldnt let go.

I think he's unravelling (politically).

Sounds like a lot of us posters on here

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Spot on..

Keep standing on that box in queen Street in the rain with your momentum leaflets

[the other bob wilson]

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A political party without principles?

Well I never did!

As I said before, one party gets forgiven everything and the other one gets forgiven nothing - is there anything the Tory's could do that would make the vote for anything in a blue rosette crowd say "no, they've gone too far there, I'll vote for someone else"?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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****inell...

Give it up now.

corbyn , momentum , Abbott

Will never be forgotten for causing the death of the labour party in England

The jocks are lost , in Wales Welsh Labour has a solid vote

Scrap English Labour Party and start again

[Jordi Culé]

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corbyn , momentum , Abbott

Will never be forgotten for causing the death of the labour party in England

The jocks are lost , in Wales Welsh Labour has a solid vote

Scrap English Labour Party and start again

Corbyn caused the death of the Labour Party?

As for Scotland when they deserted Labour in their droves where did they end up voting? What policies were the party attracting all these disillusioned Labour supporters advocating?

What was Labour representing at the time? Centre left politics again wasn't it?

This golden cow of politics you keep on banging on about and in reality only Blair has ever won with (open to debate whether he was centre left or a Tory but for debate reasons I'll let that slide).

Take your time with your reply.

I've got all day and you got a fair bit to mull over.

[goats]

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Yeah reckon he did cause the death of them, looking from the outside. I fully admit I know little about any political stuff....

[J R Hartley]

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He's having an absolute stinker. To use a football analogy, subbed after 30 minutes.

To ironic applause from the home crowd

[J R Hartley]

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Sludge getting the type of hammering not seen in these parts since the visit of Maidstone United on NYD 1992

[Pearcey3]

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For a start Labour are not dead. They are struggling. They were struggling before Corbyn became leader. At least in 2017 Corbyn’s Labour forced a hung Parliament.

The problem for Labour is not down to any one individual. It is a tale of two referenda.
In Scotland the 2014 Indy referendum resulted in a surge of Scottish Nationalism and it came at Labour’s expense with the SNP supplanting them as the main party whilst the Tories kept hold of the Unionist vote.

Then the 2016 EU Referendum left them in a very difficult position as a Remain party as much of their traditional support in the north wanted out of the EU
Brexit has then resulted in a surge of English nationalism which Johnson has taken advantage of. The Tories had no such problem because they were primarily a party that ended up supporting Leave which was supported by the vast majority of Tory voters.

So even though Cameron and the Tories handled both referenda very badly they got away with it. In that sense Labour have been a bit unlucky

[life on mars]

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corbyn , momentum , Abbott

Will never be forgotten for causing the death of the labour party in England

The jocks are lost , in Wales Welsh Labour has a solid vote

Scrap English Labour Party and start again

Labour party demise Is deeper than those you speak of I think its traditional core voters no longer feel part of them , listening to ex voters on radio yesterday they feel they have moved away from them , they say Labour was thier vote and ticked them half hearted then something snapped :

Stuff like Brexit not accepting the vote.
Supports free movement
Hatred of Blairism and centrist politics
Salisbury poisoning reactions and initial doubts around Russian involvement.
Alleged antisemitism
Rightly or wrongly they are not deemed as patriotic.
Not Royalist enough.
Judgemental of leavers and working class views in areas like Hartlepool
Become strangely insular ( ie not for all people in UK )
Appear inner City focused which conflicts with lots of less wealthy parts of UK
Woke driven.
Anti Union Jack / white van ingerlander man .
Has become a middle class party .
Lack of new policies instead is just critical of others.

I also think they lack quality in depth on thier bench .

Wales is totally different, they despise anybody/thing Tory, even if they delivered a positive outcome , don't seem to want Independence , didn't like Europe, which privately I think pleases the Tories as long as they have some representation ( they don't need another SNP on their doorstep) .

It's very sad for Labour however it's been coming and the UK requires decent opposition.

I do hope they repair itself however it could be bloody .

Perhaps becoming a pro UK Green Socalist movement with dynamic policies ( not old left Socalist ones) may help ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Corbyn caused the death of the Labour Party?

As for Scotland when they deserted Labour in their droves where did they end up voting? What policies were the party attracting all these disillusioned Labour supporters advocating?

What was Labour representing at the time? Centre left politics again wasn't it?

This golden cow of politics you keep on banging on about and in reality only Blair has ever won with (open to debate whether he was centre left or a Tory but for debate reasons I'll let that slide).

Take your time with your reply.

I've got all day and you got a fair bit to mull over.

Blair was a realist until he let God talk him into an illegal war

Like it or not Labour needed to win the centre ground it had with him but they blew it by electing Ed milligan

Then came corbyn and he and momentum have flattened and killed the Labour party in England

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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To ironic applause from the home crowd

who are mostly educationally challenged to be fair

Not the sharpest on here

I can take a few seals clapping

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Sludge getting the type of hammering not seen in these parts since the visit of Maidstone United on NYD 1992

You don't remember Cambridge United?

When did you stop supporting man u again ?