Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

[life on mars]

Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

Blair was a realist until he let God talk him into an illegal war

Like it or not Labour needed to win the centre ground it had with him but they blew it by electing Ed milligan

Then came corbyn and he and momentum have flattened and killed the Labour party in England

Ed of the left of his family didn't help matters needed a bright David to modernise the party .

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Ed of the left of his family didn't help matters needed a bright David to modernise the party .

of course we did , huge mistake appointing Ed, he was hopeless

Foot
Kinnock
Ed Milliband
Corbyn

Dreadful , these people were never going to sweep up that middle ground

Labour elected Blair who was like a breath of fresh air when he came in , then he went psychotic and everything unravelled

David Milliband would have made a good leader but he lost out then bottled out , floating around like a lonely turd

[Jordi Culé]

Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

Blair was a realist until he let God talk him into an illegal war

Like it or not Labour needed to win the centre ground it had with him but they blew it by electing Ed milligan

Then came corbyn and he and momentum have flattened and killed the Labour party in England

This is a great reply, even for you.

You’ve called me a Tory in the past but see Blair as a realist? He was a Tory.

You say Corbyn and Momentum flattened the Labour Party? They tried clawing it back from the ‘right’. I’ll leave aside the concerted efforts to bring a Corbyn down by media and Starmer disciples as we could be here all day.

You’ve swerved the questions about Scotland.

Where did the disillusioned Labour supporters go to? The Tories, Lib Dem’s or somewhere with more left wing policies than Labour were offering at that time?

Have another think.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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This is a great reply, even for you.

You’ve called me a Tory in the past but see Blair as a realist? He was a Tory.

You say Corbyn and Momentum flattened the Labour Party? They tried clawing it back from the ‘right’. I’ll leave aside the concerted efforts to bring a Corbyn down by media and Starmer disciples as we could be here all day.

You’ve swerved the questions about Scotland.

Where did the disillusioned Labour supporters go to? The Tories, Lib Dem’s or somewhere with more left wing policies than Labour were offering at that time?

Have another think.

I hated Blair after his illegal war but he brought a middle ground party to uk politics for the first time since 1979

Its a generation

He failed on many levels but the NHS was improved as was education

Was he to the right of the Labour Party? Of course

But did Benn , Skinner , Abbott , Bernie Grant , Corbyn get some form of Labour party elected ?

Tony Benn is still up there in the sky telling us how great his policies are

Which is fine but in the world of modern politics does feck all to get you elected to implement any policies

Corbyn was an idiot who gave the right wing media all the ammo they needed to shoot him down . Diane Abbott on your front bench ff sake .He may as well have phoned Derek Hatton .

Throw in the bullying momentum and you give the daily mail everything it wants and needs to scare people

I swerve a lot of stuff as I simply can't be arsed , its blame everyone but ourselves nonsense

[Jordi Culé]

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I hated Blair after his illegal war but he brought a middle ground party to uk politics for the first time since 1979

Its a generation

He failed on many levels but the NHS was improved as was education

Was he to the right of the Labour Party? Of course

But did Benn , Skinner , Abbott , Bernie Grant , Corbyn get some form of Labour party elected ?

Tony Benn is still up there in the sky telling us how great his policies are

Which is fine but in the world of modern politics does feck all to get you elected to implement any policies

Corbyn was an idiot who gave the right wing media all the ammo they needed to shoot him down . Diane Abbott on your front bench ff sake .He may as well have phoned Derek Hatton .

Throw in the bullying momentum and you give the daily mail everything it wants and needs to scare people

I swerve a lot of stuff as I simply can't be arsed , its blame everyone but ourselves nonsense

The last sentence. I'm fuucking howling here.

You're either done me like a kipper or you're lacking any self awareness.

If it's the former, well played handsome, if it's the latter, fuuck me silly.

[Hungry Blue]

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Birmingham Perry Barr MP Khalid Mahmood explained the results by saying

“Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people” and a “London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party”.

“They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

“The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world,” Mahmood wrote

[jon1959]

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corbyn , momentum , Abbott

Will never be forgotten for causing the death of the labour party in England

The jocks are lost , in Wales Welsh Labour has a solid vote

Scrap English Labour Party and start again

You sometimes talk sense, Sludge.

But not this time.

The Labour Party in England is not dead - it is wounded and may need to change a lot to become electorally successful again.

Everyone involved shares some blame, but you are mostly looking in the wrong direction. Corbyn, Momentum etc are not responsible for the civil war that crippled Labour - they were the main targets.

[jon1959]

Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

Birmingham Perry Barr MP Khalid Mahmood explained the results by saying

“Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people” and a “London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party”.

“They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

“The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world,” Mahmood wrote

The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year have been running focus groups, blaming an ex leader and flying union flags whilst overseeing a campaign without policies, personality or direction, and achieving embarrassing failure.

[jon1959]

Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

Keir Starmer has got a full grip on the problem and has the solutions too:

"Changing the things that need changing and that is the change that I will bring about."

[life on mars]

Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

Keir Starmer has got a full grip on the problem and has the solutions too:

"Changing the things that need changing and that is the change that I will bring about."

Indeed does need more than that , I'm sure he has political advisors , perhaps he needs new ones?

[life on mars]

Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

Birmingham Perry Barr MP Khalid Mahmood explained the results by saying

“Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people” and a “London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party”.

“They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday.

“The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world,” Mahmood wrote

London-based bourgeoisie ,champagne socialist ,Islington Metropolitan Elite have been around for a Generation from Blair , Corbyn though to Sir Kier its turned the voter away .. Even exists in Wales .

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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You sometimes talk sense, Sludge.

But not this time.

The Labour Party in England is not dead - it is wounded and may need to change a lot to become electorally successful again.

Everyone involved shares some blame, but you are mostly looking in the wrong direction. Corbyn, Momentum etc are not responsible for the civil war that crippled Labour - they were the main targets.

Its over jon

There is no way back from this now

We have lost seats in working class towns like Bolsover, in towns in the mining and ship building areas of the North East

The local authority power base in the metropolitan areas and big cities is eroding

They ain't coming back

[Tuerto]

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Keep standing on that box in queen Street in the rain with your momentum leaflets

It's all done online now Love...

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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It's all done online now Love...

What about the poor , those without Internet access etc ?

Ignore em ?

Not for me

[Tuerto]

Re: Hammering For Labour In Hartlepool

What about the poor , those without Internet access etc ?

Ignore em ?

Not for me

You just carry on endorsing a Tory lite Labour Party, Hun, Most of the problems with addiction, Depression, Homeless etc are caused through cuts in services, something your beloved Centrist crew would undoubtedly continue. You're part of the problem me old lover...