Another random attack on British jews

[Dorcus]

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Britain's relationship with it's Jewish citizens sinks lower still.

Comes to something when antisemitism is such that the British museum cannot hold a Jewish culture month. 🤷*♂️

British Museum postpones Jewish Culture Month event over protest fears

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn8pk8r79vpo

The BM has a duty to protect its staff and the general public so no blame attached.

[jon1959]

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Britain's relationship with it's Jewish citizens sinks lower still.

Comes to something when antisemitism is such that the British museum cannot hold a Jewish culture month. ��*♂️

British Museum postpones Jewish Culture Month event over protest fears

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn8pk8r79vpo

What is the protest that is feared?

Is it the recent changes by the British Museum and other institutions, under pressure from lobbyists, to remove references to Palestine and Palestinians, and adopt the ultra Zionist designations that underpin contemporsry ethnic cleansing?

I have no idea, but the implication that any protest will be anti Semitic is clearly the purpose.

I expect a good number of these feared protestors will be Jewish. That is usually the case.

And the quote from Kemi Badenoch is once again disgraceful and totally dishonest.

[JamesWales]

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What is the protest that is feared?

Is it the recent changes by the British Museum and other institutions, under pressure from lobbyists, to remove references to Palestine and Palestinians, and adopt the ultra Zionist designations that underpin contemporsry ethnic cleansing?

I have no idea, but the implication that any protest will be anti Semitic is clearly the purpose.

I expect a good number of these feared protestors will be Jewish. That is usually the case.

And the quote from Kemi Badenoch is once again disgraceful and totally dishonest.

Dunno Jon but didnt you defend the bloke who put hy sledgehammer in the female coppers back so I suspect your definition of acceptable protest may not be the same as others!?

Either way it is highly unlikely they would cancel such an organised event without good reason.

This is not normal.

[Dorcus]

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Dunno Jon but didnt you defend the bloke who put hy sledgehammer in the female coppers back so I suspect your definition of acceptable protest may not be the same as others!?

Either way it is highly unlikely they would cancel such an organised event without good reason.

This is not normal.

It's normal to cancel an event if is deemed to be under threat. Totally understandable and defensible to me. Safety must always be paramount.

[JamesWales]

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It's normal to cancel an event if is deemed to be under threat. Totally understandable and defensible to me. Safety must always be paramount.

Normal for events to be cancelled if threatened etc, yes. Not normal for Jewish events to be threatened just because they are Jewish though. Irrespective of much bigger issues globally we are still living in sad times in this respect in this country.

[Dorcus]

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Normal for events to be cancelled if threatened etc, yes. Not normal for Jewish events to be threatened just because they are Jewish though. Irrespective of much bigger issues globally we are still living in sad times in this respect in this country.

We are very much living in sad times. Never mind about the inconvenient cancelling of cultural events, the wanton murder of circa 70k innocent human beings is as evil as it gets! maybe only equalled by the tacit approval of the governments of so called countries which could have prevented it but chose to applaud the aggressor. May eternal damnation await them!

[jon1959]

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Dunno Jon but didnt you defend the bloke who put hy sledgehammer in the female coppers back so I suspect your definition of acceptable protest may not be the same as others!?

Either way it is highly unlikely they would cancel such an organised event without good reason.

This is not normal.

I am sure our definitions of acceptable protest are different. I am not a Reform or Trump fan - so see the world differently from you.

I ‘defended’ the Filton protestor to the extent that I said none of them carried sledge hammers to injure people but to smash equipment and items for use against civilians in Gaza. The verdict supported that - it was an act of GBH but not premeditated. You seemed to disagree.

I don’t know if there was a good reason for cancellation - nor do you. Maybe it was on safety grounds. Maybe it was to silence any protestors. Maybe some people really did want to disrupt a Jewish event as an act of race hate. Maybe…. or maybe not.

You also have no idea what the alleged protest was about - and avoided discussing the possibility I put forward. But it is becoming increasingly normal for advocates of Palestinian civil rights or statehood to be cancelled (especially in the US and Germany - but also in the UK). That is more prevalent than closing down the other side of the argument.

And there is no single Jewish community. There are many Jewish communities. Only one gets press and mainstream political support. Representatives of anti Zionist Judaism are disproportionately silenced, banned, expelled and slandered.

The BBC article shed no light on the alleged protest and you have given the interpretation that pro Israel political lobbyists want. Sadly that is normal!

[Dorcus]

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I am sure our definitions of acceptable protest are different. I am not a Reform or Trump fan - so see the world differently from you.

I ‘defended’ the Filton protestor to the extent that I said none of them carried sledge hammers to injure people but to smash equipment and items for use against civilians in Gaza. The verdict supported that - it was an act of GBH but not premeditated. You seemed to disagree.

I don’t know if there was a good reason for cancellation - nor do you. Maybe it was on safety grounds. Maybe it was to silence any protestors. Maybe some people really did want to disrupt a Jewish event as an act of race hate. Maybe…. or maybe not.

You also have no idea what the alleged protest was about - and avoided discussing the possibility I put forward. But it is becoming increasingly normal for advocates of Palestinian civil rights or statehood to be cancelled (especially in the US and Germany - but also in the UK). That is more prevalent than closing down the other side of the argument.

And there is no single Jewish community. There are many Jewish communities. Only one gets press and mainstream political support. Representatives of anti Zionist Judaism are disproportionately silenced, banned, expelled and slandered.

The BBC article shed no light on the alleged protest and you have given the interpretation that pro Israel political lobbyists want. Sadly that is normal!

I hate any violence against anyone and many Jews are peaceful loving people who will feel anger, outrage and shame at the actions of the Israeli state but many are British and not Israelis. I think they should organise and state publicly and loudly "Not In My Name" and that could help divorce themselves from the evil regime. Hopefully it will help people who feel understandable rage at genocide realise that these poor innocents have nothing to do with Israeli policy and keep them safe.

I feel anger at the UK government for not promoting this idea and at the same time failing to condem the state terror in Gaza and beyond.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I am sure our definitions of acceptable protest are different. I am not a Reform or Trump fan - so see the world differently from you.

I ‘defended’ the Filton protestor to the extent that I said none of them carried sledge hammers to injure people but to smash equipment and items for use against civilians in Gaza. The verdict supported that - it was an act of GBH but not premeditated. You seemed to disagree.

I don’t know if there was a good reason for cancellation - nor do you. Maybe it was on safety grounds. Maybe it was to silence any protestors. Maybe some people really did want to disrupt a Jewish event as an act of race hate. Maybe…. or maybe not.

You also have no idea what the alleged protest was about - and avoided discussing the possibility I put forward. But it is becoming increasingly normal for advocates of Palestinian civil rights or statehood to be cancelled (especially in the US and Germany - but also in the UK). That is more prevalent than closing down the other side of the argument.

And there is no single Jewish community. There are many Jewish communities. Only one gets press and mainstream political support. Representatives of anti Zionist Judaism are disproportionately silenced, banned, expelled and slandered.

The BBC article shed no light on the alleged protest and you have given the interpretation that pro Israel political lobbyists want. Sadly that is normal!

The Jewish community in Cardiff is mostly Reform Jewish

Far more liberal and left of centre than the homogenous group JW seems to assume is under attack

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I hate any violence against anyone and many Jews are peaceful loving people who will feel anger, outrage and shame at the actions of the Israeli state but many are British and not Israelis. I think they should organise and state publicly and loudly "Not In My Name" and that could help divorce themselves from the evil regime. Hopefully it will help people who feel understandable rage at genocide realise that these poor innocents have nothing to do with Israeli policy and keep them safe.

I feel anger at the UK government for not promoting this idea and at the same time failing to condem the state terror in Gaza and beyond.

Many of these go to the pro palestine demos I believe ?

[Dorcus]

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The Jewish community in Cardiff is mostly Reform Jewish

Far more liberal and left of centre than the homogenous group JW seems to assume is under attack

Reform Jewish is an unfortunate irony.

[Dorcus]

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Many of these go to the pro palestine demos I believe ?

Yes I believe so too. Jon has mentioned this many times and these people deserve credit and our thanks for doing so. (I'm sure our friend James would agree on this).

It is unforgivable for innocent people of any stripe or creed to be targeted and disadvantaged however I can understand why Jewish culture is held in such low esteem right now.

For me a lot of blame lies firmly with the Government. Despite it being unwilling to condemn genocide it could at least seek to protect innocent Jewish folk by promoting a public information campaign clearly indicating that being Jewish is not necessarily related to Zionist violence just like not every German was a Nazi. Ignorance breeds contempt and sometimes much much more.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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This is all pretty sad stuff.

The initiative by the Board of Deputies of British Jews to inaugurate a Jewish Culture Month to celebrate how British Jews have and continue to contribute to our wider society seems a positive initiative.

The link here identifies the scores of events around the country where people can participate and learn.

https://jewishculturemonth.org.uk/

There was a sold out event in Cardiff a few days ago ending at the lovely Wally's Kaffeehaus.

https://jewishculturemonth.org.uk/events/cardiff-jewish-refugees-and-the-holocaust-a-walking-tour/

The postponed event at the British Museum was basically the kind of lecture you would expect from them, a presentation from their curators on The Ancient History of Israel and Judah.

Why agitators/protestors chose such an event to potentially disrupt and make their stance on Zionism/Israel/Gaza is bemusing to me. If I was a Fifth Columnist this is the kind of thing I would encourage, diminishing legitimate protest against current events by a stupid charade. Monumentally stupid by the people planning it!

But the you have the reaction. Kemi first out of the traps with her cancel culture diatribe which even the "Venerable" George Osbone is telling her to shush.

But then pride of place goes to the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, whoever they are. From the BBC report their measured response was,

"In modern Britain, you can't have a Jewish Culture Month. Soon enough, in modern Britain you may not have many Jews either, given the percentages of them who say that they are considering leaving the country".

It goes to show that idiocy spawns idiocy. The only bit of credit goes to the organisers of the event. Delay it a few days, clear out the obvious disruptors and allow an audience who might appreciate one of the most boring lectures on earth to receive it in peace!

[jon1959]

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A Jewish Culture Month is fine.

But my guess is that the alleged protest that spooked the British Museum was about this:

https://electronicintifada.net/content/british-museum-cannot-erase-palestine/51242

Other sources of the same story are available - but all reference the pressure that was supposedly put on the institution to change the way historic Palestine is described.

Pressure from the same group (UK Lawyers For Israel) that have had exhibits from Palestinian artists and children removed from UK museums and cultural centres over the the past 2 years and waged lawfare to silence critics of the Gaza genocide.

[jon1959]

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Some background on UKLFI:

https://jewishvoiceforliberation.org.uk/article/uk-lawyers-for-israel-formal-complaint-against-the-director/