Another random attack on British jews

[Eric Cartman]

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Doesn't take a second to give more information. Why not tell us?

When they decided to start doing this I couldn't think of one positive use case for releasing this information to the public in a hurry.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Why are you both talking about Farage? Focus on the issue!

Because hes been sticking his clown face around golders green today trying to make political gain

Ironic considering hes the archtypical ant semite given his speeches to his dinner pals

[JamesWales]

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Because hes been sticking his clown face around golders green today trying to make political gain

Ironic considering hes the archtypical ant semite given his speeches to his dinner pals

So what? All politicians have commented on it. Do you watch the news? Have you heard what people who are actually at risk of being randomly stabbed for their religion are saying?

Theres loads of times to talk Farage. This ain't one. Even if you want to pick on a party here that is being discussed around this topic, Reform ain't it.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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So what? All politicians have commented on it. Do you watch the news? Have you heard what people who are actually at risk of being randomly stabbed for their religion are saying?

Theres loads of times to talk Farage. This ain't one. Even if you want to pick on a party here that is being discussed around this topic, Reform ain't it.

I cant think of another political party or figure that has stoked racism as much as reform

I certainly aint NOT going to bring up the issue of anti jewish activity from the far right because you dont want me to

Get stuffed

[JamesWales]

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I cant think of another political party or figure that has stoked racism as much as reform

I certainly aint NOT going to bring up the issue of anti jewish activity from the far right because you dont want me to

Get stuffed

Fingers in your ears Sludge. Watch the news man.

You are ignoring the problem. These random stabbings is not a reason to ignore what's going on and just talk about Farage (again)

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Fingers in your ears Sludge. Watch the news man.

You are ignoring the problem. These random stabbings is not a reason to ignore what's going on and just talk about Farage (again)

Oh contraire

I find it mildly amusing that a news report on these attacks on jewish people has your racist loverboy farage in front of the cameras

[JamesWales]

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Oh contraire

I find it mildly amusing that a news report on these attacks on jewish people has your racist loverboy farage in front of the cameras

What a weird take from a terror attack, but I think that's the point I'm trying to make!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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What a weird take from a terror attack, but I think that's the point I'm trying to make!

I dont really care what your take is

I tuned into the news today and nigel farage .....a right racist cretin ....was there in north london with his jewish sympathy hat on

It was irony on a massive scale

And thats my take on it , wether you like it or not

[the other bob wilson]

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I don't know how you stop every attack like this, but pretty glad we don't mirror America's gun laws. Unfortunately too many people want to drag religion into political circles and in the end it just divides people further. The internet probably doesn't help.

Netenyahu chastising the government for not protecting British Jews almost seems like parody since the blood on his war criminal hands has made them infinitely more at risk.

That’s the problem, I for one find it impossible to look at this upsurge in anti Jewish hate crime without thinking about the thousands in Gaza, both before and after the atrocity of 7 October, killed by Netanyahu’s rogue state while trying to go about their daily business.

I said in the thread about the latest assassination attempt on Trump that, if we assume that it, plus’s the other two, we’re genuine, Trump has helped create a set of conditions whereby some will take their hatred of him too far. Farage has been mentioned in this thread and he is relevant because he’s the sort of populist that whips people up by verbally attacking all sorts of minorities and, again, you get consequences for that - for example, there was a clear surge in hate crime against foreigners after the Brexit Referendum which Farage in particular went out of his way to make a vote on immigration.

None of the above is me claiming that the recent victims of anti Jewish violence had it coming to them. Of course they didn’t and those responsible should pay the full price for their actions, but, whenever I switched Radio 5 on yesterday, there was guest after guest on saying how awful it all was, yet there was no recognition at all about how things like the Netanyahu Government, certain politicians and unbalanced media coverage have helped create an environment where some individuals wrongly believe they can take their hatred of Jews into their own hands by attacking innocent sections of the community.

[jon1959]

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The attacks on synagogues and individual Jewish people in the UK and parts if Europe are clearly anti Semitic hate crimes, whether done by lone actors or directed. Some of the perpetrators are driven by ideology (the ISIS attacks), some have mental health problems, and some (the London arson attacks) are doing it for money.

Someone is paying and making the online claims - whether this new and shadowy Iran-supporting group that doesn’t understand Arabic or Islam and described Palestine as Israel - or not (who else benefits from fear in the Jewish community combined with demonisation of those opposed to Israel’s actions…..?)

But the conflation of Israel’s actions and state ideology with Judaism and with the millions of Jews around the world doesn’t just come from the perpetrators of these attacks. From the other side of the lens it also comes from Netanyahu, Trump, Starmer, Badenoch and Farage. They also peddle that anti Semitic trope but get no serious challenge from the media because it is done in the interests of Israel.

Farage and Yaxley-Lennon line up behind Israel despite their anti Semitic views (as does Orban and other right wing populists, and white supremacists in the USA). They do it because of the role Israel plays, because of evangelical beliefs, and because they hate brown people and Muslims more.

It is why the whole rotten lot of them can denounce demonstrations against genocide as hate marches - even when thousands of Jewish people have taken part in the demonstrations from the start and been prominent amongst the speakers. They understand the difference between Judaism and Israel, even if anti Semitic terrorists, UK politicians and the press/media do not (or choose not to).

[goats]

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Jimbo, my observation about Farage is an 'observation'. Does it suggest Farage is a duplicitous hypocrite, maybe? That's it, nothing more.

In relation to the stupid fuuckers who have been alleged of antisemitism, they've been arrested, the law will deal with it. If found guilty they should face the consequences.

A duplicitous hypocrite? He will fit in just fine with those credentials….not quite to the levels of Blair, raynor and reeves just yet, but give him sometime he’s not even in power yet. That’s when it really begins

[Dorcus]

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A duplicitous hypocrite? He will fit in just fine with those credentials….not quite to the levels of Blair, raynor and reeves just yet, but give him sometime he’s not even in power yet. That’s when it really begins

You seemed to have forgotten Johnson. Probably an oversight!

[Jordi Culé]

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A duplicitous hypocrite? He will fit in just fine with those credentialsÂ….not quite to the levels of Blair, raynor and reeves just yet, but give him sometime heÂ’s not even in power yet. ThatÂ’s when it really begins

We're more or less on the same page here Goats although I'll have Farage as the biggest hypocrite in today's UK politics.

Being a bigger cuunt than Starmer takes some doing too.

[JamesWales]

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I dont really care what your take is

I tuned into the news today and nigel farage .....a right racist cretin ....was there in north london with his jewish sympathy hat on

It was irony on a massive scale

And thats my take on it , wether you like it or not

My take is to listen to what people on the ground are saying and look at the evidence of where the threat comes from.

Others is to twist the events to make it suit your own agenda. The threat isn't from Farage, he is nothing to do with it. No one cares what was on your TV when you turned it on, the story is about two people being stabbed in the latest antisemitic hate crime.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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My take is to listen to what people on the ground are saying and look at the evidence of where the threat comes from.

Others is to twist the events to make it suit your own agenda. The threat isn't from Farage, he is nothing to do with it. No one cares what was on your TV when you turned it on, the story is about two people being stabbed in the latest antisemitic hate crime.

I would have thought it is perfectly reasonable in a thread of this nature to hold the thrust of both views expressed.

Regardless of the actions of the Israeli state, someone deciding to stab two random innocent people in a London street is horrendous, unjustifiable and should be universally condemned.

The actions of a politician, with a history of anti-semetic views, hotfooting it to Golders Green to milk the crime with no discernable empathy but looking for maximum political coverage and gain was that of an opportunist and a hypocrite.

It's not tricky, they are not be equally bad but you can believe both without a bias towards one or the other!