The Donald Trump thread

[Wales-Bales]

Re: The Donald Trump thread

So you're admitting that, by getting considerably less votes than his opponent, he didn't really win the popularity contest that is the American Presidential election?

Corbyn and Trump face the same problem, a biased media determined to destroy their character, and the public are oblivious to it. That's the fascinating part for me, that they still exist and sometimes even thrive under these conditions.

[Wales-Bales]

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Do you ever answer the questions posed to you?

You deliberately missed the point Bob was trying to make and have avoided answering mine twice.

I know it's absolutely pointless, but one more go.

How do you view Trump's comments, considering you condemnation of Morgan Freeman. Do they describe someone "using power in a very ugly way"

He himself said it was locker room talk. If there is a case to answer put it before a jury, not the court of public opinion that is influenced by a corrupt politicised media.

[Veg1960]

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He himself said it was locker room talk. If there is a case to answer put it before a jury, not the court of public opinion that is influenced by a corrupt politicised media.

Oh okay.

So he was trying to ingratiate himself by pretending to be a sexual predator

That's cleared that up

[Wales-Bales]

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Oh okay.

So he was trying to ingratiate himself by pretending to be a sexual predator

That's cleared that up

You're the one trying to convince yourself that a link exists.

[Veg1960]

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So let's say you are in a locker room.

You overhear some bloke off the telly talking to a mate about how he likes to force himself on women

Do you think:

a) There's a bloke I'd like to see as the leader of the free world

b) What a ****

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Oh okay.

So he was trying to ingratiate himself by pretending to be a sexual predator

That's cleared that up

I think you are being unfair to WB.

The expectation to get a straight reply to a straight question without bringing in several extraneous elements is a bit naughty for starters.

He has clearly said that those that have issue with Trump's talk and actions should take it to court. Perfectly reasonable! Just as reasonable is the suggestion that those that have chosen that path should not have picked ambulance chasing attorneys as this would not be in their best interests when in litigation against Trump's squeaky clean lawyer.

I would suggest that if you debate with him on specific points in the future that you really need to look at the bigger picture because what you are focusing upon is all noise when set against the deep anti-state clean up of which Trump is a temporary figurehead.

Conversely if you have a big picture conversation you should really understand that that is not the problem. Rather the fact that WB and a small number of well trained art experts have noticed a few brush strokes in the far bottom corner of the canvas that look like they were added by someone else. As a result you have to conclude the rest of the painting is obviously fake!

Hope this helps and good luck in any future dialogue!

[Wales-Bales]

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So let's say you are in a locker room.

You overhear some bloke off the telly talking to a mate about how he likes to force himself on women

Do you think:

a) There's a bloke I'd like to see as the leader of the free world

b) What a ****

He never said he forced himself, he said they were up for it, hypothetically speakng of course.

Look it's great if you follow the CNN version of events, if you believe Obama is the greatest president ever, if you doubt the CIA/FBI would would have colluded with other countries to spy on Trump. It's your worldview, just enjoy it.

[Wales-Bales]

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He has clearly said that those that have issue with Trump's talk and actions should take it to court. Perfectly reasonable! Just as reasonable is the suggestion that those that have chosen that path should not have picked ambulance chasing attorneys as this would not be in their best interests when in litigation against Trump's squeaky clean lawyer

How many times must I say it, if he is guilty put him before a jury. How many times?

[Veg1960]

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He never said he forced himself, he said they were up for it, hypothetically speakng of course.

"I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait"

Look it's great if you follow the CNN version of events, if you believe Obama is the greatest president ever, if you doubt the CIA/FBI would would have colluded with other countries to spy on Trump. It's your worldview, just enjoy it.

What do you know about my world view?

Are most politicians bent? In my opinion of course. The Clintons would appear to be more bent than most.

Was Trump spied on? Very possibly. No doubt the establishment will have spied on lefty types over here.

That doesn't mean I have to believe everything that comes out of Trump's mouth, and attempt to justify everything he says and does

[Veg1960]

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I think you are being unfair to WB.

The expectation to get a straight reply to a straight question without bringing in several extraneous elements is a bit naughty for starters.

He has clearly said that those that have issue with Trump's talk and actions should take it to court. Perfectly reasonable! Just as reasonable is the suggestion that those that have chosen that path should not have picked ambulance chasing attorneys as this would not be in their best interests when in litigation against Trump's squeaky clean lawyer.

I would suggest that if you debate with him on specific points in the future that you really need to look at the bigger picture because what you are focusing upon is all noise when set against the deep anti-state clean up of which Trump is a temporary figurehead.

Conversely if you have a big picture conversation you should really understand that that is not the problem. Rather the fact that WB and a small number of well trained art experts have noticed a few brush strokes in the far bottom corner of the canvas that look like they were added by someone else. As a result you have to conclude the rest of the painting is obviously fake!

Hope this helps and good luck in any future dialogue!

[Wales-Bales]

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What do you know about my world view?

Are most politicians bent? In my opinion of course. The Clintons would appear to be more bent than most.

Was Trump spied on? Very possibly. No doubt the establishment will have spied on lefty types over here.

That doesn't mean I have to believe everything that comes out of Trump's mouth, and attempt to justify everything he says and does

Why are you fixated on something that happened nearly two years ago, and nothing came of it, while ignoring everything that has happened since? It's like that is all you've got, you are pinning your hopes on a story that dies nearly two years ago. Why didn't those cases go any further? Weinstein was in court today, that is the sort of outcome I would be expecting if anything went on.

[Veg1960]

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Why are you fixated on something that happened nearly two years ago, and nothing came of it, while ignoring everything that has happened since? It's like that is all you've got, you are pinning your hopes on a story that dies nearly two years ago. Why didn't those cases go any further? Weinstein was in court today, that is the sort of outcome I would be expecting if anything went on.

Weinstein is in court accused of rape. Nobody is accusing Trump of that.

I'm not fixated on it. The only reason it came up is that you appeared to condemn powerful people abusing their position.

[Wales-Bales]

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Was Trump spied on? Very possibly. No doubt the establishment will have spied on lefty types over here.

That's an interesting observation, so governments are spying on those who have no hope of being elected? Do you think certain elements of the right and the left are the same thing, working together to elect chosen candidates? We got Clnton, Blair, Bush, Obama, Cameron, but no Corbyn, and the plan was definitely for no Trump. It's only since Trump won that we are seeing everything being exposed after a 30+ year run of the "Uniparty". Hillary dropping the batton is one of the biggest screwups in the history of politics, but so far the masses have remained oblivious.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Why are you fixated on something that happened nearly two years ago, and nothing came of it, while ignoring everything that has happened since? It's like that is all you've got, you are pinning your hopes on a story that dies nearly two years ago. Why didn't those cases go any further? Weinstein was in court today, that is the sort of outcome I would be expecting if anything went on.

The Uranium One contract was agreed in 2010. Just saying like...

and as far as legal cases......

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/23/politics/summer-zervos-donald-trump-deposition/index.html

[Wales-Bales]

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Weinstein is in court accused of rape. Nobody is accusing Trump of that.

I'm not fixated on it. The only reason it came up is that you appeared to condemn powerful people abusing their position.

And you equated them as being equal, while I pointed out there were differences, i.e. no enforcement action was taken, and the victims slunk off into the night as soon as the election was over.