Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Organ Morgan.]

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I'm suggesting it's relatively harmless to those who haven't something seriously wrong with them prior. Of course that's more acute when they're elderly who have a habit of dying when they reach 80+.

[tell it like it is]

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I'm suggesting it's relatively harmless to those who haven't something seriously wrong with them prior. Of course that's more acute when they're elderly who have a habit of dying when they reach 80+.

I'm not disagreeing.

The virus weakens the immune system making those symptoms deadly. No virus then there's less chance of death as the immune system would be in a better position. Generalisation, sure, but...

Some would die anyway. Some would not die in normal circumstances.

Nice to see you've backed away from Event 201...

[Organ Morgan.]

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I didn't back away from Event 201. The BBC have. I didn't make it up that there's no mention of it on their site. They have form for suppressing news as anyone familiar with my posts on the Politics forum with regard to the annual Bilderberg bash will already know.

[tell it like it is]

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I didn't back away from Event 201. The BBC have. I didn't make it up that there's no mention of it on their site. They have form for suppressing news as anyone familiar with my posts on the Politics forum with regard to the annual Bilderberg bash will already know.

Ah yes, the secretive Bilderberg group meetings that are well documented on the web...

But back to the Event 201 thing, maybe the media aren't covering it due to it being scaremongering, utter bollocks? "People that see regular local epidemics look to see what would happen in a pandemic" shocker...

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Interesting section below of an item in the Independents online news coverage, which I think puts the current situation in perspective. Some of the media coverage of the outbreak has been disgracefully designed to deliberately panic the public :-

‘Despite the obvious seriousness of the situation it is important to keep the threat in perspective (during the 2017-18 UK flu season there were 26,408 deaths and 1,692 in 2018-2019). The UK's chief medical officer Chris Whitty estimates a mortality rate for coronavirus of one per cent. (Other earlier estimates have been higher at between 2 to 3.4 per cent].
In comparison, SARS had a mortality rate of more than 10 per cent.’

We're living in an era of media saturation which can dictate how we perceive the event at the expense of objective analysis. If the BBC had announced one day in 2018 that "1500" people had died today from flu-related causes", and followed up with reports of over-run hospitals etc., I'm sure we would have been horrified. I reckon the audience for the TV News from 6pm onwards is massive and like myself most are almost in a panic by the end of the reports. Then you look at the numbers and the deaths - albeit to date - are equivalent to 9 for a city the size of Birmingham. In 2020 in the Western World we aren't as close to death as those African Countries where make shift hospitals are full of malnourished babies dying in their mothers' arms - we live in a cosy, well-managed world without the hardships other poorer people experience every day. I think it's like FDR said about 'nothing to fear but fear itself".

[Hilts]

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The point being that message isn't the complete one. It ignores the reality that most people have probably had the virus by now too.

Over 100,000 people tested. Over 11,000 positive.

While its obvious that there are more walking around with it there is no way most people have had it. Not even close.

In my opinion of course.

[Elwood Blues]

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Principality Stadium is to be used as a temporary hospital.

2,000 beds

[Hilts]

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I'm suggesting it's relatively harmless to those who haven't something seriously wrong with them prior. Of course that's more acute when they're elderly who have a habit of dying when they reach 80+.

51 Italian doctors have died from this.

While the elderly and those with health issues are more at risk this virus and the words relatively harmless shouldnt be in the same sentence.

[Eric Cartman]

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Principality Stadium is to be used as a temporary hospital.

2,000 beds

Yes, that is definitely normal. Nothing to see here. Everyone is just panicking because of the BBC.

[Organ Morgan.]

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51 Italian doctors have died from this.

While the elderly and those with health issues are more at risk this virus and the words relatively harmless shouldnt be in the same sentence.

Yes, it should. Relatively harmless is apposite.

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ess-italy-says

'More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.'

[tell it like it is]

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Yes, it should. Relatively harmless is apposite.

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ess-italy-says

'More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.'

And those dying are dying because the immune system weakened by the virus, which triggers / enables those underlying illnesses.

Not difficult to understand, that. Without the virus, some but not all would die.

[Hilts]

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Yes, it should. Relatively harmless is apposite.

99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ess-italy-says

'More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.'

Whatever they say 51 of their doctors treating the ill have caught it and died.

Loads of people if u ask them will say they are in good health. However they may have asthma , diabetes , too high BMI , blood pressure , cholesterol.

Id love to know how they get 99% when their doctors are dying.

Temporary hospitals being set up , thousands of ventilators and extra beds , part lockdown. The government have an idea of whats coming.

Most people will come out of it with their health. But this virus is far from relatively harmless it clearly kills and not just those with serious health conditions.

[Hilts]

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Sorry didnt read the link. High amount with high blood pressure. A mate of mine is relatively fit plays football but is on blood pressure tabs.

[Hilts]

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As high blood pressure is an underlying health condition wonder if the front line staff are being tested if people are dying. Dont they call it a silent killer as people walk around without knowing it.

[lardy]

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How do we not know that?

It seems to be fairly infectious. I very much doubt any of the figures of infections are including those with no symptoms because who would know?

What I suspect ( gut feeling, not a virologist ) is it's something that is clearly pretty infectious, for the vast majority there are no symptoms or are very, very mild symptoms. Wife has a compromised immune system, she had a virus back in December. The symptoms were pretty much those attributed to covid-19. Didn't require hospitalisation thankfully. Now, we've not been abroad last year, not been in contact with people who have - so if she picked it up then would have been heavily present in UK back in December.

Or, which is more likely, she didn't have covid in December.

If it was heavily present in the UK in December, it would have been noticed.