Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[tell it like it is]

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https://twitter.com/who/status/12170...761152?lang=en

Yep you're right, it's a shame the Chinese government won't get half the grief they deserve for this.

That's the problem, it imo would have caused massive social disorder and disobediance to have had any semblance of lockdown back in Jan based upon that WHO information, which is what governments would have had to go on.

Even looking at February, people were still trying to get that meaningful information about the transmission and nature of the virus.

[Baloo]

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That's the problem, it imo would have caused massive social disorder and disobediance to have had any semblance of lockdown back in Jan based upon that WHO information, which is what governments would have had to go on.

Even looking at February, people were still trying to get that meaningful information about the transmission and nature of the virus.

Denmark went into lockdown on 11th March. There had only been 8 more deaths in the UK at that time, with the first death in the UK just 5 days prior. There have now (as of yesterday) been 1700 more deaths in the UK than Denmark with the difference currently growing by hundreds each day. Denmark is now considering reopening its economy gradually after Easter.

Makes you wonder how much of an impact applying restictions here just a couple of weeks earlier would have made.

[Croesy Blue]

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The number of people who have died from coronavirus in the UK has risen by 563 to 2,353 in total, the Department for Health and Social Care has said.

The latest figures mark the biggest day on day increase in the country since the pandemic began.

The Department for Health confirmed this afternoon that 29,474 people have tested positive for coronavirus within the UK - an increase of 4,324 from yesterday. The Department has also clarified that UK's testing capacity is currently 12,799 tests per day.

Makes you wonder how bad it could have been.

[the other bob wilson]

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I think that it was generally expected that this was going to be a bad week in terms of deaths and new cases and, after a few days when it looked like things may be peaking, the last two have been more in line with expectations, Nevertheless, I think I'm right in saying that in places like Italy and Spain the new cases rate was doubling every two or three days at the same sort of stage as we are and that's certainly not happening here lately.

[tell it like it is]

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Denmark went into lockdown on 11th March. There had only been 8 more deaths in the UK at that time, with the first death in the UK just 5 days prior. There have now (as of yesterday) been 1700 more deaths in the UK than Denmark with the difference currently growing by hundreds each day. Denmark is now considering reopening its economy gradually after Easter.

Makes you wonder how much of an impact applying restictions here just a couple of weeks earlier would have made.

Denmark's population is 5.8m.

UK, at around 66m has higher fatality count than a far, far smaller nation shocker.

[Croesy Blue]

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Denmark's population is 5.8m.

UK, at around 66m has higher fatality count than a far, far smaller nation shocker.

What about the rate though? It should be scalable surely.

[Blue Dwr]

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What about the rate though? It should be scalable surely.

UK death rate = 35/million population, Denmark = 18/million.

Can't really compare like for like cases as we don't know Denmark's testing scheme.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[tell it like it is]

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UK death rate = 35/million population, Denmark = 18/million.

Can't really compare like for like cases as we don't know Denmark's testing scheme.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Equally, locking down a far smaller nation is a lot "easier".

[Baloo]

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Denmark's population is 5.8m.

UK, at around 66m has higher fatality count than a far, far smaller nation shocker.

So you believe that just by comparing populations we can conclude that locking down when the UK had only 8 deaths would have made no difference?

[tell it like it is]

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So you believe that just by comparing populations we can conclude that locking down when the UK had only 8 deaths would have made no difference?

And do you believe people would have obeyed with just 8 deaths? There are many factors at play, it's overly simplistic and naive to say "ooooh we should've locked down at point X".

[Baloo]

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UK death rate = 35/million population, Denmark = 18/million.

Can't really compare like for like cases as we don't know Denmark's testing scheme.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

At this point in time but the gap is widening. The UK had nearly 40 times as many deaths as Denmark today.

I appreciate the demographics are different. My point was really whether a couple of weeks could have made a big difference to the outlook for the UK with the benefit of hindsight.

[tell it like it is]

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Well, we were told testing was the answer, Germany had a 25% increase yesterday alone.

There's zero hindsight at this point whatsoever.

[Baloo]

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And do you believe people would have obeyed with just 8 deaths? There are many factors at play, it's overly simplistic and naive to say "ooooh we should've locked down at point X".

I'm sorry I don't understand all of this like you do. The question of timing interventions has been a constant discussion point so wondering whether whether we chose the optimal time to minimise deaths is a reasonable question I think. Just insisting we wouldn't have obeyed isn't really a conclusive answer.

[xsnaggle]

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They just mentioned on the briefing about an apparent inclrease in car use indicating people were beginning to move about more in London.
I live very close to a major junction in Cardiff (Less than 100 m) and I have noticed an increase in the last copuple of days and most of it is cars not delivery trucks or stuff like that. It hasn't been that far below normal today.
I wonder when the police are going to start spot checking motorists.

[tell it like it is]

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I'm sorry I don't understand all of this like you do. The question of timing interventions has been a constant discussion point so wondering whether whether we chose the optimal time to minimise deaths is a reasonable question I think. Just insisting we wouldn't have obeyed isn't really a conclusive answer.

I think a sizeable number wouldn't have, more than now. Some need things to hit close to home to grasp that at times.

Recommendations changed to "you must" was a reasonable way of approaching things because it showed the effects of people ignoring...