Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[the other bob wilson]

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Quite ironic considering all the fuss there was about them at the time;-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/all-400000-gowns-flown-from-turkey-for-nhs-fail-uk-standards

[Croesy Blue]

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Quite ironic considering all the fuss there was about them at the time;-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-uk-standards

Can you imagine if it was a labour government doing this?

[the other bob wilson]

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Good post. I'm guessing here, but if "the science" were urging that we go for a herd immunity approach and the Government defied them from the start by insisting that was not on, I think we would have heard about it somehow by now. I thought it had been more or less accepted that it was the Jenkinson report saying as many as half a million could die in the U.K. that convinced the Government not to adopt a herd immunity approach?

Ferguson, not Jenkinson, Lord knows where I got that from!

[goats]

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We went into the so called lockdown too late.

Will we come out too early.

Latest feck up coming?

We aren’t really coming out are we? So you can exercise a bit more? Bit of a joke that as 80% of the population probably never do anyway....
It will be another 3 weeks until anything major can happen, small shops and schools etc....and yes it’s the right time, for wales at least.

[goats]

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Things would be very different if symptoms included a rash or spots or something.

Why? My 5 year old had a rash all last summer, not a clue what it was or what caused it.....just a virus messing with the immune system we were told.

[lardy]

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Why? My 5 year old had a rash all last summer, not a clue what it was or what caused it.....just a virus messing with the immune system we were told.

Because if everyone who had covid got a rash (and it happened very early on) then it would be easier for people to be aware of it rather than it lying unseen for days.

Just a hypothetical to say that lockdown would be easier to manage, that's all.

[Heisenberg]

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I'm saying he made a specific claim...

Was it discussed internally, almost certainly. Plan? Doubt it.

Doubt away -

Sir Patrick Vallance, the govt chief scientific adviser, says the thinking behind current approach to #coronavirus is to try and "reduce the peak" and to build up a "degree of herd immunity so that more people are immune to the disease". #R4Today

More: https://t.co/1FmqX3WPh7 pic.twitter.com/pMHknCAobr

— BBC Radio 4 Today (@BBCr4today) March 13, 2020

[tell it like it is]

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Doubt away -

Sir Patrick Vallance, the govt chief scientific adviser, says the thinking behind current approach to #coronavirus is to try and "reduce the peak" and to build up a "degree of herd immunity so that more people are immune to the disease". #R4Today

More: https://t.co/1FmqX3WPh7 pic.twitter.com/pMHknCAobr

— BBC Radio 4 Today (@BBCr4today) March 13, 2020

Which Vallance was criticised for by government, correct?

It's silly, to a degree you have to have a semblance of herd immunity till vaccine developed when you have something people can easily have with zero symptoms.

[Heisenberg]

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Keep doubting:

[tell it like it is]

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Keep doubting:

So still no evidence, as Delm claimed, of Johnson repeatedly stating that was the government policy?

[Heisenberg]

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Which Vallance was criticised for by government, correct?

It's silly, to a degree you have to have a semblance of herd immunity till vaccine developed when you have something people can easily have with zero symptoms.

I don't remember that. Just Googled "Vallance" "Government" "Criticise" and couldn't find anything to back up what you're saying, sorry. If you want to share a link, that would be helpful.

[Heisenberg]

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So still no evidence, as Delm claimed, of Johnson repeatedly stating that was the government policy?

You're really nitpicking now, aren't you? Delmbox was wrong about it being Johnson - he was right that it was repeatedly stated on TV that the Govt. policy was for "herd immunity".

Boris Johnson stated around the 13th March that "threre's no evidence to suggest cancelling sporting events will stop the spread" - which was during the "herd immunity" phase of the plan.

Edit: "slow the spread" not "stop"

[tell it like it is]

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You're really nitpicking now, aren't you? Delmbox was wrong about it being Johnson - he was right that it was repeatedly stated on TV that the Govt. policy was for "herd immunity".

Boris Johnson stated around the 13th March that "threre's no evidence to suggest cancelling sporting events will stop the spread" - which was during the "herd immunity" phase of the plan.

Johnson stated on a This Morning interview the rational behind herd immunity as given to him. He then stated "but I disagree with it". Lo and behold, video then put on social media to show Johnson backed herd immunity - can you guess the bit edited out?

[surge]

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This thread regarding poor treatment of carer's and how it will have contributed to spread of coronavirus may be of interest: https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/st...43691010703360

Link 2 is to ITV page discussing disproportionate impact of coronavirus on BAME communities with report done in England: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-05-01/...ths-ifs-study/

We've all lost during this. Some are losing more.

[Heisenberg]

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Johnson stated on a This Morning interview the rational behind herd immunity as given to him. He then stated "but I disagree with it". Lo and behold, video then put on social media to show Johnson backed herd immunity - can you guess the bit edited out?

Just watched the bits of the interview that you're referring to.

First of all, it was filmed (March 5th) a week before the "herd immunity" plan was announced, as far as I'm aware.

Secondly - he said that there needed to be balance - but that went out of the window when herd immunity was announced and 'lockdown' still wasn't on the horizon.

I'm not sure why you're digging your heels so hard to try to ignore the facts here.