Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Baloo]

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I don’t think establishing clear sole cause is as important as understanding the overall public health impact of Covid. If it has potentially advanced, or the pandemic has prevented treatment of, another fatal disease that’s important to know I would think. This seems to be best measured by excess mortality.

[Wales-Bales]

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Digital ID on the way?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8403369/Tony-Blair-calls-new-digital-ID-people-prove-coronavirus-disease-status.html

[Wales-Bales]

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Where do you draw the line? How would anyone even begin to work it out?

If covid had some sort of impact on quickening their death, I think it's fair enough to count them in the figures.

And then you go and blame Boris for all the deaths.

[Baloo]

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And then you go and blame Boris for all the deaths.

Boris himself said the best approach is to measure all cause mortality.

[goats]

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This is where things get a bit iffy for me.

I know 3 people from Canton (all regulars in the pub), who had “Coronavirus” put on their death certificates, but all 3 also had terminal cancer.

Yes Coronavirus advanced their deaths, but was it the sole cause ?????

How did they catch it? Weren’t they staying indoors? It’s really hit anyone with underlying conditions very hard which is backed up by the stats that show less than 300 people in the whole of England have died who didn’t have any at all, many of these 300 were apparently BAME also. It’s strange though, my overweight 89 year old auntie who has dementia and diabetes caught it in a care home and survived it and pneumonia.....

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I don’t think establishing clear sole cause is as important as understanding the overall public health impact of Covid. If it has potentially advanced, or the pandemic has prevented treatment of, another fatal disease that’s important to know I would think. This seems to be best measured by excess mortality.

I think this informative piece on how Covid-19 deaths are calculated by the various organisations covers your point pretty well. Figure 2 in the study has a graph showing the spike in excess deaths against a 5 year average.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/deaths-covid-19

It is recognised that in just over 90% of cases those who died had pre-existing conditions. There seems to be an argument being made by some that these people were dying anyway so that the risks from the virus are being over-blown. I saw this rather inelegantly referred to as the "Harold Shipman" defence which somehow mitigates responsibility for how the virus has been managed in the UK.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I think this informative piece on how Covid-19 deaths are calculated by the various organisations covers your point pretty well. Figure 2 in the study has a graph showing the spike in excess deaths against a 5 year average.

https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/publications/deaths-covid-19

It is recognised that in just over 90% of cases those who died had pre-existing conditions. There seems to be an argument being made by some that these people were dying anyway so that the risks from the virus are being over-blown. I saw this rather inelegantly referred to as the "Harold Shipman" defence which somehow mitigates responsibility for how the virus has been managed in the UK.

It makes you wonder if death rates in respect of the old and vulnerable will decrease in the next few years as they perished 'prematurely' due to Covid-19.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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It makes you wonder if death rates in respect of the old and vulnerable will decrease in the next few years as they perished 'prematurely' due to Covid-19.

I guess that depends on how good we are as a nation going forward in managing the thing that caused the spike in excess deaths in the first place. Hopefully better than we have been to date!

[Wales-Bales]

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How did they catch it? Weren’t they staying indoors? It’s really hit anyone with underlying conditions very hard which is backed up by the stats that show less than 300 people in the whole of England have died who didn’t have any at all, many of these 300 were apparently BAME also.

When will we get back to normality if people continue to die with a Covid symptom alongside their terminal illness.

[goats]

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When will we get back to normality if people continue to die with a Covid symptom alongside their terminal illness.

When there is a vaccine for those who are old or with underlying conditions I guess. Keeping them indoors isn’t working so well it seems as they are still getting it. Cancer drugs wipe out one immune system so it’s no shock their bodies can not cope with it.

[Wales-Bales]

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When there is a vaccine for those who are old or with underlying conditions I guess. Keeping them indoors isn’t working so well it seems as they are still getting it. Cancer drugs wipe out one immune system so it’s no shock their bodies can not cope with it.

The trouble is there will be no normality to return to as the global economy will have been wiped out, so what's your contingency plan for that particular scenario?

[delmbox]

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The trouble is there will be no normality to return to as the global economy will have been wiped out, so what's your contingency plan for that particular scenario?

Yes, goats off the ccmb, what's your contingency plan for the global economy having been wiped out AND DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME THAT YOU HAVEN'T GOT ONE

[xsnaggle]

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Yes, goats off the ccmb, what's your contingency plan for the global economy having been wiped out AND DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME THAT YOU HAVEN'T GOT ONE

The simple way is to get anyone with an chronic underlying illness and put them in one place of safety and not let anyone in or out. That'll sort it out.

Of course the last time a particular group were treated like this the places of safety the were called concentration camps, so there might be a little political fallout until they all die natural deaths. But the government had over 4 years to ride out the storm.

[goats]

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Yes, goats off the ccmb, what's your contingency plan for the global economy having been wiped out AND DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME THAT YOU HAVEN'T GOT ONE

I’ve been working on it all week in fact, I’m on page 268 of my report in to it, just got to run it by bo, Trump, Merkel and co then I’ll share it. To sum up, we just have to crack on as those under 60 with no issues don’t seem to get too badly affected mercifully.

[goats]

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The trouble is there will be no normality to return to as the global economy will have been wiped out, so what's your contingency plan for that particular scenario?

Why will it be wiped out?