Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[xsnaggle]

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I'm not doubting it. I presume you know that the Oxford vaccine is delivered in 2 doses 28 days apart. NHS staff and carers will begin getting the vaccine early next month. Good news. However, Immunity declines after 3 months so if people want the best protection they will need up to 4 a year. Thus the vaccine or the alternatives which are being worked on are not the total answer but it is hoped the next generation of vaccines will be better. I am not decrying the achievements of the Oxford people but all I was saying (not with the greatest of clarity I accept) is that there are better vaccines to come.

The scientists who said this specifically asked that the statement not be referred to vaccinations. They said that is not known to be true. They were worried about people putting their remarks against vaccoines and scare mongering.

What they said was that the antibodies that defend against the virus decline in those who have had the disease and recover by about 25% (I think) in the 3 months after they recover. However they also said that vaccines will be stronger and should give specific immunity for a much longer period. Historically that is what has happened with other vaccines, although boosters are sometimes necessary.

[Des Parrot]

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Just a quick update from me. First symptoms on Sept 16th, minor sore throat. 9 people caught Covid in the same meeting despite us using all of the benchmark measures. At no point have I had an elevated temperature, cough or loss of taste. For a week of so I had muscle fatigue, chronic gastric issues, diarrhea, ate nothing and drank gallons of water. That was followed by a week or so struggling to breath, dizziness & loss of co-ordination. Slowly over the last week things have got back to normal but with the occasional day where the breathing issues return. it's now just shy of 4 weeks and nearly sorted. One major continued showstopper is smoke, perfume or deodorant, which flattens me immediately! I've also lost nearly 2 stone in the last month.

I think I've got away relatively lightly. Be warned about the "symptoms", as in my case, I had "none" of the tell tale symptoms.

Update: now 45 days on from the C day. Of the 12 people in the (large) room, all wearing masks, socially distanced & disinfected, 9 people plus their families caught the virus.

My continued lasting effects are hyper-sensitivity to smoke, deodorant & perfume. Deodorant in particular instantly removes all of my breath, can be very scary. I also cannot drink any citrus juices or iced drinks as they start coughing fits.

Other than that, it seems to have gone!

[Vindec]

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Update: now 45 days on from the C day. Of the 12 people in the (large) room, all wearing masks, socially distanced & disinfected, 9 people plus their families caught the virus.

My continued lasting effects are hyper-sensitivity to smoke, deodorant & perfume. Deodorant in particular instantly removes all of my breath, can be very scary. I also cannot drink any citrus juices or iced drinks as they start coughing fits.

Other than that, it seems to have gone!

This virus is so infectious as you have found out. Then you see those idiots dancing around in the street in Nottingham last night prior to entering tire 3 status. And today we had University students in Manchester saying they didn't know what Tier 3 is and it was difficult to find out. These were those who spend their lives on their phones and computers and it was difficult to find out FFS. With idiots like that there is no hope.

Anyway I'm glad you have got away with the virus relatively lightly. I have a son working on the front line who tells me those in the advance stages of the virus are very ill where deaths are escalating exponentially.

[Delbert]

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Remarkable, looks like a superspreader event where 1 person has infected many others within a confined space who have then gone on to infect others in their homes.

I know you caught it at work but evidence like this reminds me why I think opening indoor spaces where people sit together for social/recreational purposes for long periods of time like pubs, restaurants, cafes, cinemas, clubs etc would be a bad idea post-firebreak.

Get well soon!

[Allez Allez Allez]

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The scientists who said this specifically asked that the statement not be referred to vaccinations. They said that is not known to be true. They were worried about people putting their remarks against vaccoines and scare mongering.

What they said was that the antibodies that defend against the virus decline in those who have had the disease and recover by about 25% (I think) in the 3 months after they recover. However they also said that vaccines will be stronger and should give specific immunity for a much longer period. Historically that is what has happened with other vaccines, although boosters are sometimes necessary.

Vaccines produce a better immune response than getting the virus.

[Allez Allez Allez]

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Remarkable, looks like a superspreader event where 1 person has infected many others within a confined space who have then gone on to infect others in their homes.

I know you caught it at work but evidence like this reminds me why I think opening indoor spaces where people sit together for social/recreational purposes for long periods of time like pubs, restaurants, cafes, cinemas, clubs etc would be a bad idea post-firebreak.

Get well soon!

They are talking of re-opening pubs on November 11 in Wales. I expect my parents still won't be allowed to see their grandkids on the same day.

[Vindec]

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Looks as though England will be locked down. Announcement expected early next week according to this:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898985/Boris-Johnson-announce-national-coronavirus-lockdown-WEEK-save-Christmas.html

Sorry the above article isn't from the Guardian or Mirror

[adz-a32]

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Update: now 45 days on from the C day. Of the 12 people in the (large) room, all wearing masks, socially distanced & disinfected, 9 people plus their families caught the virus.

My continued lasting effects are hyper-sensitivity to smoke, deodorant & perfume. Deodorant in particular instantly removes all of my breath, can be very scary. I also cannot drink any citrus juices or iced drinks as they start coughing fits.

Other than that, it seems to have gone!

Good to see that you are doing better. Hope you make a full recovery

[blue matt]

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https://twitter.com/guardian/status/...795732490?s=21

Those who have been careless about the virus can **** off... dragging us ALL down just because they are damn impatient! And if they didn’t go on holiday (assuming minority are for essential visits) then this strain wouldn’t be here! Like do they need a bloody holiday!? They are reducing the security of others just for that ffs!

just seen on the news the " youth " of Nottingham dancing in the streets last night

once again,shocking scenes

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Looks as though England will be locked down. Announcement expected early next week according to this:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898985/Boris-Johnson-announce-national-coronavirus-lockdown-WEEK-save-Christmas.html

Sorry the above article isn't from the Guardian or Mirror

If it saves Christmas who cares what news outlet it comes from!

[Delbert]

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BBC and Sky News both saying Johnson is considering new national lockdown restrictions which could be imposed in England as early as next week. Sky said cabinet ministers were angry they had not made aware of the alleged U-turn.

Raab was interviewed on Sky yesterday saying he disagreed with Starmer’s call for a national lockdown. Now it appears his own boss thinks there should be one too but didn’t tell him. This government really is a disaster.

[the other bob wilson]

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Looks as though England will be locked down. Announcement expected early next week according to this:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8898985/Boris-Johnson-announce-national-coronavirus-lockdown-WEEK-save-Christmas.html

Sorry the above article isn't from the Guardian or Mirror

I am as well, the Guardian and the Mirror are virtually the only papers out there these days that don't come with a subscription wall or commands that you turn your adblocker off - that's definitely a reason why I post so many links from the Guardian.

[the other bob wilson]

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BBC and Sky News both saying Johnson is considering new national lockdown restrictions which could be imposed in England as early as next week. Sky said cabinet ministers were angry they had not made aware of the alleged U-turn.

Raab was interviewed on Sky yesterday saying he disagreed with Starmer’s call for a national lockdown. Now it appears his own boss thinks there should be one too but didn’t tell him. This government really is a disaster.

Johnson had probably just come from a meeting with scientists when that story was leaked by "Whitehall sources" - wait until he meets with his Cabinet again (especially those with links to the Treasury) and then there'll be stories about how there's not going to be a lockdown.

I'm taking the piss there, but it does have a basis of truth in it - our "strongman" leader does tend to agree with the last thing he was told.

[William Treseder]

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BBC and Sky News both saying Johnson is considering new national lockdown restrictions which could be imposed in England as early as next week. Sky said cabinet ministers were angry they had not made aware of the alleged U-turn.

Raab was interviewed on Sky yesterday saying he disagreed with Starmer’s call for a national lockdown. Now it appears his own boss thinks there should be one too but didn’t tell him. This government really is a disaster.

What’s worse than having an inept government, is the fact that there is no decent opposition to them.
What a state British politics is in.

[jon1959]

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