Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Hilts]

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It was said yesterday that places such as leisure centres community centres etc will allow gatherings or five aside as they have someone that can be held responsible. Ie the operator.

Cheers.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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There didn't seem to be much in the way of regulation in one of the two beer gardens I visited during the summer. If any. But they have a licence, so all is well in the world.

Two more venues in RCT have had their venues closed for breaches of their licence today for failing Covid rules.

Maybe you should have alerted the authorities.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Doesn't it depend on the definition of regulate? If regulate means establishments or places that are allowed to remain open under Covid Restrictions but have a regulatory responsibility to identify individuals for tracking and tracing purposes and exclude individuals unwilling to do that or meet the rules of gatherings then that could help dealing with the dichotomy of indoor allowed/outdoor not?

[The Lone Gunman]

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Incredibly hard to keep on top of.

What I found amazing at the first I visited was that they had a large table set up for around 16 people. This was when you still had to be outside and pre-book and all that stuff. And when the people who had booked this large table started arriving, social distancing was absolute zero amongst them - all blokes, all in their forties and fifties by the look of them, big bear hugs, handshakes, the works.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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What I found amazing at the first I visited was that they had a large table set up for around 16 people. This was when you still had to be outside and pre-book and all that stuff. And when the people who had booked this large table started arriving, social distancing was absolute zero amongst them - all blokes, all in their forties and fifties by the look of them, big bear hugs, handshakes, the works.

Then we are fighting a losing battle.

That said there are 3 or 4 licensing officers covering all Cardiff which will also cover taxi's food places etc. They have no chance.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Maybe you should have alerted the authorities.

I thought the authorities were already on high alert?

Not my style. Personally, I think the staff in these places have an almost impossible task in the current climate. I've felt quite comfortable on the small handful of occasions that I've been out to pubs or restaurants since this thing started, but notion that social distancing is strictly followed in pubs and is somehow being regulated doesn't tally with my experiences.

[Hilts]

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What I found amazing at the first I visited was that they had a large table set up for around 16 people. This was when you still had to be outside and pre-book and all that stuff. And when the people who had booked this large table started arriving, social distancing was absolute zero amongst them - all blokes, all in their forties and fifties by the look of them, big bear hugs, handshakes, the works.

This is why trusting the people doesnt work.

Im suprised the pub in question hasnt been closed down. In RCT pubs are inspected regularly been closures and improvement notices and warnings dished out.

How this pub allowed this I dont know.

[Tuerto]

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How about their garden? Incidentally, I've visited two pubs since March. It's fair to say the social distancing rules were not being rigorously enforced in either. In fairness, doing so would have been pretty much impossible for the staff.

Depends on how many people are in the garden and how the interact i suppose, and that's the problem, isn't it? And it's going to end up in the house, especially this time of year. As for the pubs, that's a matter for the landlord i suppose. They must have rules on social distancing and capacity, if they're not prepared to carry them out then that's not the governments fault. By that reckoning shops would have to close as it's impossible to completely social distance when overtaking the dickhead family who like to fill the aisle with their super sized backsides.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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This is why trusting the people doesnt work.

Im suprised the pub in question hasnt been closed down. In RCT pubs are inspected regularly been closures and improvement notices and warnings dished out.

How this pub allowed this I dont know.

Exactly - My football club (Treforest) have had a few visits and made to make greater space savings to stop too many people being close.

Suppose the police will say staffing and cuts mean they can't get everywhere.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Depends on how many people are in the garden and how the interact i suppose, and that's the problem, isn't it?

I guess I'm particularly sore about this particular piece of news due to my sister-in-law's situation. I know the government has a thankless task in some respects, but some of these restrictions really do seem petty and unreasonable to me, and I also think they make little sense in reality. Drakeford and Co are basically saying that people can't be trusted to behave in their own gardens but they can be trusted in a pub because there are bar staff present. Bit daft if you ask me.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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I guess I'm particularly sore about this particular piece of news due to my sister-in-law's situation. I know the government has a thankless task in some respects, but some of these restrictions really do seem petty and unreasonable to me, and I also think they make little sense in reality. Drakeford and Co are basically saying that people can't be trusted to behave in their own gardens but they can be trusted in a pub because there are bar staff present. Bit daft if you ask me.

I’m with you. Our family can form a bubble. My wife wants it to be with her mother but so does her sister.

They need to go to the pub to see each other but can’t meet up for a cup of tea in her house.

[Tuerto]

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I guess I'm particularly sore about this particular piece of news due to my sister-in-law's situation. I know the government has a thankless task in some respects, but some of these restrictions really do seem petty and unreasonable to me, and I also think they make little sense in reality. Drakeford and Co are basically saying that people can't be trusted to behave in their own gardens but they can be trusted in a pub because there are bar staff present. Bit daft if you ask me.

I understand your situation, it doesn't seem fair. From my point of view i know of a few people who have had groups in their house and in the garden during the warmer months, to even that up, i know even more people who haven't. I suppose the government believes that it has a chance with businesses that aren't going to follow the rules, it has zero chance when dealing with plebs, it sadly means that the large majority of sensible caring people are penalised because of ****wits who possess zero respect for others.

[The Lone Gunman]

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I’m with you. Our family can form a bubble. My wife wants it to be with her mother but so does her sister.

They need to go to the pub to see each other but can’t meet up for a cup of tea in her house.

My sister-in-law is terminally ill. She can't go to pubs or cafes even if she wanted to. They've got a nice garden with a decent gazebo-type thing, so she could sit out there with a couple of friends if the weather was good enough. That's not allowed, though. She'd have to go to the pub is she wanted to socialise at all, because they've got bar staff there.

The thing that gets me is the people who would take the piss if you were allowed to see friends in your garden will take the piss anyway, regardless of any rules. You know that, I know that and Drakeford knows that. The only people who will be genuinely penalised by this restriction are those who actually follow the rules. That's why it makes no sense to me.

[Tuerto]

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My sister-in-law is terminally ill. She can't go to pubs or cafes even if she wanted to. They've got a nice garden with a decent gazebo-type thing, so she could sit out there with a couple of friends if the weather was good enough. That's not allowed, though. She'd have to go to the pub is she wanted to socialise at all, because they've got bar staff there.

The thing that gets me is the people who would take the piss if you were allowed to see friends in your garden will take the piss anyway, regardless of any rules. You know that, I know that and Drakeford knows that. The only people who will be genuinely penalised by this restriction are those who actually follow the rules. That's why it makes no sense to me.

A terrible situation. Drakeford can't form policy based on a minority of arseholes though. Could you imagine him saying 'Do what you like, because some people are quite likely to **** things up for others' This board would go into meltdown, enough people hate him already based on little in my opinion.

[The Lone Gunman]

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A terrible situation. Drakeford can't form policy based on a minority of arseholes though.

On this occasion he has. He's formed a policy based on the small minority who would take the piss if people were allowed to meet friends in their gardens, and the likelihood is those people will ignore the rules and do what they like anyway.