Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[The Lone Gunman]

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If infections is on a 2-3 week lag then deaths is probably a couple of weeks behind that, so the high numbers now probably refelects the worst of the second spike?

Good luck with that.

[Hilts]

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If the talk about following the bufoon and his crew is correct then we will be in teir 3 soon.

The vast majority of pubs could be closed until Spring.

[life on mars]

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Some great positive news is so welcome with stuff like procurement and finding of vaccine , care home instant testing for Xmas , the trial in Liverpool , footy fans back in some grounds albeit 4k max , Xmas UK wide approach to Covid an family get togethers .

[Vindec]

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If the talk about following the bufoon and his crew is correct then we will be in teir 3 soon.

The vast majority of pubs could be closed until Spring.

If Wales is to have a tier system as in England doesn't the fact that you think Wales will soon be in tier 3 suggest that, despite the measures taken, Wales is amongst the worst infected areas?

It also suggests that Wales have been no more successful than England in managing the pandemic.

Allowing a limited number of people back into football grounds, opening pubs and restaurants for food in England under the tier system etc is asking for trouble as it is inevitable the number of cases and deaths will rise dramatically by the end of January. Isn't the relaxation of the rules in Wales after the arguably too short firebreak the reason why the cases in Wales are high and a reason why under the tier system they will continue to rise.

[Jordi Culé]

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Some great positive news is so welcome with stuff like procurement and finding of vaccine , care home instant testing for Xmas , the trial in Liverpool , footy fans back in some grounds albeit 4k max , Xmas UK wide approach to Covid an family get togethers .

I agree the vaccine is great news.

I'm not delirious about a UK wide approach to Covid, football fans in the grounds nor the family get togethers without anyone having the vaccine.

In fact anything that blonde bouffanted clit advocates I'd suggest giving it a massive swerve.

[goats]

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Seems like they are saying we will all probably have to suffer in January and more people will die etc, just to sit around a table and get drunk for a day or two...madness. We’ve all waited this long, what’s a few more months?

[lisvaneblue]

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Seems like they are saying we will all probably have to suffer in January and more people will die etc, just to sit around a table and get drunk for a day or two...madness. We’ve all waited this long, what’s a few more months?

As Mark Drakeford said yesterday, people will celebrate anyhow and better to give a set of rules. No doubt the 4 nation discussions would have considered the impact on spread of virus and death rates, and concluded that it was a trade off. Some trade off!!

But it's not just Christmas, there's Boxing Day sales followed by New Year celebrations. This period could push Covid into orbit.

[Jordi Culé]

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Seems like they are saying we will all probably have to suffer in January and more people will die etc, just to sit around a table and get drunk for a day or two...madness. We’ve all waited this long, what’s a few more months?

Ridiculous isn’t it.

I bet NHS staff can’t wait for New Year.

Our politicians can then wear a NHS pin badge, give them a clap and eulogise about what a great job they do when hospital porters are taking bodies down the mortuary and doctors are deciding who has a ventilator.

[the other bob wilson]

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Unless someone has a terminally ill relative or close friend who they know is not going to be around for Christmas 2021, I don't get this clamour to "save our Christmas". How many Christmases does the average person experience in their lifetime? More than enough to cope with having to do without one for one year out of their lives I'd say and, of course, even if there were pretty strict lockdown regulations in place, it would hardly be as if Christmas was cancelled would it?

If it was my decision to make, I would say that anyone who the medical profession felt was not going to survive another year could have a "normal" Christmas where they get to see their family and close friends, but everyone else would have to abide by the rules that are going to be in place for much of December - hopefully, Easter 2021 can be an alternative Christmas for one year only.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Ridiculous isn’t it.

They're following the science, like they've been doing all along.

Honest.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Unless someone has a terminally ill relative or close friend who they know is not going to be around for Christmas 2021, I don't get this clamour to "save our Christmas".

Ironically, I do have a terminally ill relative who is in an extremely vulnerable position and that's precisely why I'm not going to put her at any further risk by trying to 'save Christmas'.

Under the current rules here in Wales, I'm not allowed to go and sit with her in her garden, but I could meet up with her in a pub if she was able to leave her house - which she isn't. Pretty soon it's possible that I could go to a football match with approximately 4,000 other people, but not be allowed to sit in a garden with a terminally ill relative.

It's all about the science, allegedly.

[Jordi Culé]

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They're following the science, like they've been doing all along.

Honest.

I’ve been generally a supporter of Welsh Government’s strategy in regards to Covid-19 although there are a number of idiosyncrasies which have bewildered.

This five day Christmas thing wreaks of leaders not being able to lead, tell the truth about the situation and lacking balls. Throw in they don’t want to be portrayed as the Grinch.

I hope they’ve got explanations for us all if the figures in January are on the up and we’re in an extended firebreak period. I also hope those who enjoy the festivities think it was worth it just to hear a family member sing Shakey on the karaoke.

‘Merry Christmas Everyone’.

[Jordi Culé]

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Ironically, I do have a terminally ill relative who is in an extremely vulnerable position and that's precisely why I'm not going to put her at any further risk by trying to 'save Christmas'.

Under the current rules here in Wales, I'm not allowed to go and sit with her in her garden, but I could meet up with her in a pub if she was able to leave her house - which she isn't. Pretty soon it's possible that I could go to a football match with approximately 4,000 other people, but not be allowed to sit in a garden with a terminally ill relative.

It's all about the science, allegedly.

Mass testing available in Merthyr from Saturday. On the same day there were a number of local football matches played. Rugby matches can’t be played as it would exceed the rule of 30.

As clear as crystal isn’t it?

[surge]

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Ironically, I do have a terminally ill relative who is in an extremely vulnerable position and that's precisely why I'm not going to put her at any further risk by trying to 'save Christmas'.

Under the current rules here in Wales, I'm not allowed to go and sit with her in her garden, but I could meet up with her in a pub if she was able to leave her house - which she isn't. Pretty soon it's possible that I could go to a football match with approximately 4,000 other people, but not be allowed to sit in a garden with a terminally ill relative.

It's all about the science, allegedly.

Person 1: the rules don't make sense
Person 2: there are too many rules, I don't understand them

At the moment you are person 1 but you are still more likely to follow the rules (or break the rules in a safe way) than person 2 who is interviewed on the TV frequently but needs the rules to be as simple as possible.

Gardens have been included in these restrictions because in winter it is much more likely that people meeting in a garden will need or want to go indoors into the home, and as already explained a lot of the transmission of coronavirus is happening in people’s homes: https://gov.wales/coronavirus-regula...#section-39235

Ideally, the rules would be that you can meet in a garden but only doing so in a safe way. Here is part a, b, c and d on how you can make this safer. However, that stops us being "in it together" which, so the theory goes, is a way that ensures compliance is higher and a person who feels there are already too many rules will stop listening after "you can meet in a garden".

We know that the longer you spend with someone, the closer you get to them and the less ventilation there is the more likely the virus will spread between you. I am sure you are far more likely to want to get close and spend longer with a person you care about than a stranger at a football match so it is a riskier situation and while you can do it safely a Person 2 cannot.

[surge]

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I’ve been generally a supporter of Welsh Government’s strategy in regards to Covid-19 although there are a number of idiosyncrasies which have bewildered.

This five day Christmas thing wreaks of leaders not being able to lead, tell the truth about the situation and lacking balls. Throw in they don’t want to be portrayed as the Grinch.

I hope they’ve got explanations for us all if the figures in January are on the up and we’re in an extended firebreak period. I also hope those who enjoy the festivities think it was worth it just to hear a family member sing Shakey on the karaoke.

‘Merry Christmas Everyone’.

The police struggle to control 700 people breaking the rules at a rave. How many people celebrate Christmas, if you include those doing so as a non-religious holiday, in the UK? Police won't be able to stop several thousands doing what they want, and once they do what they want once why not again and again, so government has instead given us a break with guidance over a short period of time. It's likely to have a horrible impact in January but better than people sticking up two fingers in December, January and February because everyone is breaking the rules all the time now anyway.

Christmas isn't a religious festival in the UK for majority of people. It's gathering close together to get through the darkest, most depressing part of the year and this year has been more depressing than most. I can also see why some people would rather do everything possible so that they can gather at next Christmas rather than finish the year off with the most depressing of notes.