BLM - Will you boo ?

[Eric Cartman]

Re: BLM - Will you boo ?

It can end when racism is no more. Seems fair.

Or when clubs/players decide not to do it anymore presumably??

[delmbox]

Re: BLM - Will you boo ?

To everyone who says it's stale, has lost its impact etc I completely disagree. The news coverage of big protests across the world finished months ago yet here we are on this board and probably hundreds of other boards across the country after the weekend, discussing racism. That simply wouldn't be the case if the players weren't taking the knee. It consistently brings the issue back into focus, long may it continue.

[Tuerto]

Re: BLM - Will you boo ?

To everyone who says it's stale, has lost its impact etc I completely disagree. The news coverage of big protests across the world finished months ago yet here we are on this board and probably hundreds of other boards across the country after the weekend, discussing racism. That simply wouldn't be the case if the players weren't taking the knee. It consistently brings the issue back into focus, long may it continue.

I think the posters who think it will go stale are right wing, just an observation.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: BLM - Will you boo ?

To everyone who says it's stale, has lost its impact etc I completely disagree. The news coverage of big protests across the world finished months ago yet here we are on this board and probably hundreds of other boards across the country after the weekend, discussing racism. That simply wouldn't be the case if the players weren't taking the knee. It consistently brings the issue back into focus, long may it continue.

Where is anybody discussing racism? I have read both threads and I don't think I have seen any acts of racism or action to tackle racism discussed or even mentioned. We have spent lots of time talking about some guys booing some other guys who are on one knee and other people saying what they might do if they saw some guys on one knee or someone else booing some guys on one knee.

There is also a deeply worrying undercurrent of 'if you don't agree with me, then you are racist' running through these threads.

[Eric Cartman]

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I think the posters who think it will go stale are right wing, just an observation.

I think it already is stale and I am certainly not right wing

Clubs and players can do what they like, if they want to kneel then go for it but I worry for the first club/player to choose not to symbolise their opposition to racism before each kick off.

[lisvaneblue]

Re: BLM - Will you boo ?

To everyone who says it's stale, has lost its impact etc I completely disagree. The news coverage of big protests across the world finished months ago yet here we are on this board and probably hundreds of other boards across the country after the weekend, discussing racism. That simply wouldn't be the case if the players weren't taking the knee. It consistently brings the issue back into focus, long may it continue.

Things do go stale if they are not refreshed now and again. Take 'Clap For Carers/ NHS.' Would you really be standing on the doorstep clapping each week if it was still continuing? I saw fewer and fewer people in my street clapping as time went on.

If an end date for the knee in football matches was announced linked to something fans could get involved at that particular match to show their support....It could be a collection, Cardiff BLM t-shirts for sale, Cardiff BLM pin badges. If such was UK wide it could have a very big impact.

Otherwise it'll end up sadly as something that just routinely happens before KO

[Tuerto]

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I think it already is stale and I am certainly not right wing

Clubs and players can do what they like, if they want to kneel then go for it but I worry for the first club/player to choose not to symbolise their opposition to racism before each kick off.

There is that, although i suppose the said player will give an explanation, if it's thought out and productive then fair enough, if it's because he's a racist then **** him.

[Eric Cartman]

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There is that, although i suppose the said player will give an explanation, if it's thought out and productive then fair enough, if it's because he's a racist then **** him.

He might just not want to do it. Does it need to be thought out and thoroughly explained? People have been taking a knee, sitting and whatever else as a protest for years and good on them for making that tough decision and sticking their neck out, they didn't expect everybody to join them and people didn't need to explain why they didn't join.

[Tuerto]

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He might just not want to do it. Does it need to be thought out and thoroughly explained? People have been taking a knee, sitting and whatever else as a protest for years and good on them for making that tough decision and sticking their neck out, they didn't expect everybody to join them and people didn't need to explain why they didn't join.

It's a difficult one. I suppose they would have to say something if they had already taken part in the protest. If a player said that he thinks that it has served a purpose but he abhors racism in every way, then fair enough in my book. Nobody should be forced or feel like they have to do it in my opinion, although an explanation may be needed, especially from a footballer who is in the public eye to a certain extent, and especially if they've taken part.

[surge]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55223935

Millwall players will not take a knee before Tuesday's Championship fixture against QPR but will stand arm-in-arm in a "show of solidarity for football's fight against discrimination".

In a statement, Millwall said: "Millwall believe that this gesture, which the club hopes to repeat with other visiting teams in the coming weeks and months, will help to unify people throughout society in the battle to root out all forms of discrimination.

Sure, fine, but recognise that you're now starting to edge away from taking an anti-racist stance because you want to be more palatable to those who oppose changing society in order to make it less racist. That itself is very much a political gesture.

[NYCBlue]

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Being sick of being reminded about racism for a few seconds every week after less than 6 months is the definition of white privilege.

[xsnaggle]

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Like a lot of Trump voters. It has become so pervasive that there are questions over the future of political polling.

But how a person votes is a private and personal thing anyway. And I believe that people confronted by a polster just tells them any old thing. It's none of their business.

[NYCBlue]

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But how a person votes is a private and personal thing anyway. And I believe that people confronted by a polster just tells them any old thing. It's none of their business.

Who's stopping them from saying "no, thank you"?

[UNDERHILL1927]

Re: BLM - Will you boo ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55223935

Well that's a cop out. Could have and should have sent a strong message to the booing cavemen in the crowd.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: BLM - Will you boo ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55223935



Sure, fine, but recognise that you're now starting to edge away from taking an anti-racist stance because you want to be more palatable to those who oppose changing society in order to make it less racist. That itself is very much a political gesture.

Also from that BBC piece;-

"The Millwall Supporters' Club said the booing was not motivated by racism, but instead in opposition to the political views held by the Black Lives Matter organisation.".