BLM - Will you boo ?

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It’s funny seeing Marx & Engels being discussed on various football forums. The irony that most of them are working class, yet so aggressively against their ideas, is not lost on me. What all this has to do with racism in modern society is however. It’s obviously about race. Why don’t racists ever just come out and admit what they are?

Because they are shithouses

Snowflake , playing the race card , can't say anything these days blah blah blah , its not our country anymore etc

So , tell me are you or are you not a racist ? Because you are most certainly using the language of one

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It should continue until we see more of a level playing field, until we see black people given opportunities in positions of real responsibility and power. In football, black players weren't trusted by the racists in the 70's, 80's to put a shift in, didn't fancy it if things got a bit tough for them, didn't like the cold and didn't respond to criticism well, as players, they've got over that racist hurdle, it took long enough.

Now it's at the management level where black ex footballers with the relevant badges and training can't get a look in. Look at Sol Campbell, a world class player, yet he had to cut his teeth at Macclesfield, a club who were fighting to stay in the league as well as bankrupt. Compare that to other players with a similar pedigree-Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard, jonathan woodgate,Nigel clough, Bryan Robson, Terry Butcher, Peter reid etc, all walked into decent jobs when they finished playing. Look at Paul Ince, Captain of England, played for Liverpool, Man utd and inter milan, had to start his journey at Macclesfield. John Barnes didn't get a sniff after things went wrong at celtic, yet a white player as decorated as he is would have got another gig, just lower down, and that's from his mouth.

How can someone who has failed as much (and really doesn't have any more to offer the game) as Steve cotterill be on his tenth managerial appointment at Shrewsbury? It's plain racism, a black manager wouldn't get past the second appointment.

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who the **** does?

My thoughts on the matter:

I don't get the booing, but then this is Millwall, and they're still in the 70s in Bermondsey and Rotherhithe, so its no surprise.

When BLM was a single issue movement, it was easy to support, but now its not so, so its hard to agree to the movement overall when there are so many pushing their own narrative well away from its original goals. Farage made UKIP a single issue party and did extremely well as a result. If Farage had started to add other types of political goals to the party's manifesto, then it would not have been so successful. BLM should remain a single issue movement then we can all get behind it.

Saying that, an individual should have the right to express their support in their own way, and not all bend the knee - we scorn North Korea for such mass actions, and whilst not quite the same, individuals who don't follow the mass behaviour shouldn't automatically be assumed to be against the main message. Bending the knee is tokenism to appear woke - much better to actually live your life, and encourage others to live theirs, in a manner fitting the ideal that BLM originally promoted.

finally, you make some great points about the managers, but maybe some (one) of them, such as Barnes, were just shit?

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Great post in my opinion and absolutely spot on. The right wing do this all the time. They can't show themselves to be closet racists so they try to conflate the issue with something else and mentioning Marxism is like a red rag to a bull for some people, so it works.

To be honest if some of these people who claim not to be racists say they will not support it because of its supposed links to a Marxist movement that's totally a red herring. The focus of the gesture is to spread the message that discrimination is evil and its main purpose is the education of the young.

If the message can be got across to forthcoming generations that black people are of equal status to whites and treating them differently is wrong then discrimination may become as socially unacceptable as drink driving.

its not just the right, the left have their racists too. The wife's grandad, bless his soul, spent his time in the RAF when Britain had an empire. Staunch Labour man. He was based in Africa and India after the war and he certainly believes himself, as an Englishman, to be better than anyone who isn't white. He wouldn't say it to their face though. So maybe its a generational thing that will become less and less prevalent as most of us are brought up in a mixed culture society where we aren't cocooned with only our own "type".

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Four out of about fifty five voting voting yes I see, that equates to something like 170 in a crowd of 2,000 - the trouble is it would only need a small proportion of that minority to start booing for Cardiff City to be the subject of the same sort of headlines Millwall have been getting.

that's quite disgusting. I always prided our club and city as being diverse and better than all that nonsense.

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To everyone who says it's stale, has lost its impact etc I completely disagree. The news coverage of big protests across the world finished months ago yet here we are on this board and probably hundreds of other boards across the country after the weekend, discussing racism. That simply wouldn't be the case if the players weren't taking the knee. It consistently brings the issue back into focus, long may it continue.

no we are not, we're discussing a token gesture at football. no one has suggested how to end racism or how to engage with the racists to see how they think. When is taking the knee going to lead to action to resolve the issue?

The fact of the matter is we don't live in a football stadium, so whilst we can all show solidarity (or not if you prefer not to) inside the stadium, outside in every day life is where change will really be made. and we have not yet had any discussion or debate apropos of that, we've only discussed whether we should be woke or not.

talk is cheap.

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who the **** does?

My thoughts on the matter:

I don't get the booing, but then this is Millwall, and they're still in the 70s in Bermondsey and Rotherhithe, so its no surprise.

When BLM was a single issue movement, it was easy to support, but now its not so, so its hard to agree to the movement overall when there are so many pushing their own narrative well away from its original goals. Farage made UKIP a single issue party and did extremely well as a result. If Farage had started to add other types of political goals to the party's manifesto, then it would not have been so successful. BLM should remain a single issue movement then we can all get behind it.

Saying that, an individual should have the right to express their support in their own way, and not all bend the knee - we scorn North Korea for such mass actions, and whilst not quite the same, individuals who don't follow the mass behaviour shouldn't automatically be assumed to be against the main message. Bending the knee is tokenism to appear woke - much better to actually live your life, and encourage others to live theirs, in a manner fitting the ideal that BLM originally promoted.

finally, you make some great points about the managers, but maybe some (one) of them, such as Barnes, were just shit?

Concerning John Barnes, he may well have been shit, but as is the way in professional football, it seems some people are given plenty of opportunities to show how shit they are, as perverse as that may sound. I really do think that white football club owners are still appointing managers in their image, or based on what they would like to be.

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its not just the right, the left have their racists too. The wife's grandad, bless his soul, spent his time in the RAF when Britain had an empire. Staunch Labour man. He was based in Africa and India after the war and he certainly believes himself, as an Englishman, to be better than anyone who isn't white. He wouldn't say it to their face though. So maybe its a generational thing that will become less and less prevalent as most of us are brought up in a mixed culture society where we aren't cocooned with only our own "type".

I've seen countless people like that. I shouldn't.make the mistake of conflating their voting Labour with any left wing sentiment.

Much of the Labour Party support is gained from tactical voters rather than from any wellspring of left wing conviction, and this was particularly true in the mid to late 20th century.

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that's quite disgusting. I always prided our club and city as being diverse and better than all that nonsense.

Could be some jacks voting to boo on here couldn’t it? Let’s face it, they do have a right wing following showing Ulster and loyal flags at games.. horrible people

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Where have all the BLM riots /Demo's gone in the USA and to some extent UK, loads of statues left standing we need rid off ?

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BBC News - Edward Colston statue: Four charged with criminal damage

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-55248263

This today....the photo is interesting, remember this is a purported BLM march, yet the majority are white kids. Yet some say BLM isn't/hasn't been hijacked by those with a different agenda.

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BBC News - Edward Colston statue: Four charged with criminal damage

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-55248263

This today....the photo is interesting, remember this is a purported BLM march, yet the majority are white kids. Yet some say BLM isn't/hasn't been hijacked by those with a different agenda.

Are you saying that white people attending a BLM march must have a different agenda?

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Are you saying that white people attending a BLM march must have a different agenda?

Not all of them, but some of them clearly do.

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Not all of them, but some of them clearly do.

Like supporting anti racism and getting rid of slave traders statutes. Good on them

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Like supporting anti racism and getting rid of slave traders statutes. Good on them

What does getting rid of statues achieve?

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What does getting rid of statues achieve?

If you can't see the benefit of removing statutes that commemorate slave traders then I don't know what to say.