Historically big clubs

[goats]

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The worrying thing is when you look at ours in the eighties

Less than 2500 to watch us on countless occasions

Man City getting 21 k was poor by their standards but enormous by ours

We weren’t always that bad….looking at crowds regularly posted on the fb group. 7/8000 most of the time. I guess crowds might have just tripled over the years….

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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How far back into a clubs history is relevant? We won the FA Cup nearly 100 years ago, that surely means nothing now, same as forest winning the EC 40 years ago, what relevance has that got today for them to be "a big club"

surely theres got to be a cut off

Forest won the EC , twice , in the television days

Huge exposure

Many of us can still remember those classic sides and forest stayed in the top flight for many many years and established themselves as a force

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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We weren’t always that bad….looking at crowds regularly posted on the fb group. 7/8000 most of the time. I guess crowds might have just tripled over the years….

When we were hopping between the third and fourth our crowds were shocking

Only under Sam did we get decent gates

[Dembe]

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Forest won the EC , twice , in the television days

Huge exposure

Many of us can still remember those classic sides and forest stayed in the top flight for many many years and established themselves as a force

40 years ago being the important factor here? is that relevant today?

[TWGL1]

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I’d say we are in the top twenty, simply based on the size and catchment area alone , similarly Bradford has to be in the same category even though they are not very successful.

Teams like Luton, Watford, Blackburn Burnley , Ipswich etc are second tier teams that when they do well they really do punch above their weight.

History tells us that the best team in Scotland were Queen’s Park at the turn of the last century but they are tiny now in comparison.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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40 years ago being the important factor here? is that relevant today?

I think the aura of forest , Derby, Wednesday is still around even though its a long time since they did anything so I think the answer is yes, imo

[PhyllisStant]

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Big clubs in the EPL is a more global thing I think. A big club there is one with a big global following.

Below the EPL you then look at; stadium size, season ticket holders, and historic acievements (doesn't necesarilly mean silverware but seasons in the top flight etc).

It's also relative isn't it. Are Bradford a big club? Probably not. Are they a big club for league 2 - almost certainly. Same for Derby, Bolton and Portsmouth in league 1 and Oldham in the Conference.

[goats]

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When we were hopping between the third and fourth our crowds were shocking

Only under Sam did we get decent gates

And Rick wright….we just needed a half decent owner, maybe we will get one one day hey

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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And Rick wright….we just needed a half decent owner, maybe we will get one one day hey

Yes we certainly had some thumping gates in the old fourth

Barnet , Shrewsbury , Burnley

I don't know where half of them came from

[Dembe]

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Big clubs in the EPL is a more global thing I think. A big club there is one with a big global following.

Below the EPL you then look at; stadium size, season ticket holders, and historic acievements (doesn't necesarilly mean silverware but seasons in the top flight etc).

It's also relative isn't it. Are Bradford a big club? Probably not. Are they a big club for league 2 - almost certainly. Same for Derby, Bolton and Portsmouth in league 1 and Oldham in the Conference.

:thumbup:

[Dembe]

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Yes we certainly had some thumping gates in the old fourth

Barnet , Shrewsbury , Burnley

I don't know where half of them came from

You gonna give us your top 20?

[Majorblue]

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You can pick your criteria to justify your point of view in respect of this question.
For me, it's the pirates who wanted to breakaway a few years ago and the rest picking up the crumbs when they have a few decent years.
Sadly the only defining factor these days, in my opinion, is income.

[Cyclops]

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Pompey have often been cited in this thread.
As they are my home-town team, I've been following their rise and fall for decades and it might be informative to examine why they seem to be gradually hauling themselves up the leagues.
After their nose-dive to League Two and being taken over by the fans, it became apparent that there was never going to be the money for a proper revival, they sold the club to a Disney executive. He's proved to be excellent - spending dosh improving an old stadium and not throwing huge money to acheive promotion. After about seven years of gradual progress they currently top league one. So that's the first plus point - a careful, enthusiastic owner.
Pompey have had a few managers during this time who have been reasonably backed but although being fairly successful and being given time, they now have a young manager who has turned the corner for them who none of you will have heard of. Second plus point.
The buzz words are STRATEGY = SUCCESS.
And behind it all is the fan base. Fratton Park is usually sold out with around 21,000 raucuous supporters willing their team to win.
Are Pompey a historically BIG club?
They've won the old First Division a few times and the FA cup. When I was a lad, they attracted crowds of 40K. But compared to say, Villa, who have won the European Cup, they are probably in the second tier of big clubs with Derby etc.
If you're interested, there's a recent excellent video interview with the owner which encapsulates his philosophy. Tan would do well to see it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_im...l=PortsmouthFC

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Pompey have often been cited in this thread.
As they are my home-town team, I've been following their rise and fall for decades and it might be informative to examine why they seem to be gradually hauling themselves up the leagues.
After their nose-dive to League Two and being taken over by the fans, it became apparent that there was never going to be the money for a proper revival, they sold the club to a Disney executive. He's proved to be excellent - spending dosh improving an old stadium and not throwing huge money to acheive promotion. After about seven years of gradual progress they currently top league one. So that's the first plus point - a careful, enthusiastic owner.
Pompey have had a few managers during this time who have been reasonably backed but although being fairly successful and being given time, they now have a young manager who has turned the corner for them who none of you will have heard of. Second plus point.
The buzz words are STRATEGY = SUCCESS.
And behind it all is the fan base. Fratton Park is usually sold out with around 21,000 raucuous supporters willing their team to win.
Are Pompey a historically BIG club?
They've won the old First Division a few times and the FA cup. When I was a lad, they attracted crowds of 40K. But compared to say, Villa, who have won the European Cup, they are probably in the second tier of big clubs with Derby etc.
If you're interested, there's a recent excellent video interview with the owner which encapsulates his philosophy. Tan would do well to see it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_im...l=PortsmouthFC

Thanks for posting that link. Will give it a watch. Tan having some sort of 'vision' and communicating it would be wonderful. I feel like we're one of those businesses/clubs that are just fronts for something else. It's felt like that for a while.

[Cyclops]

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So Pompey are deservedly Div One champions!
May I suggest that it would behove Tan and his Cardiff management team to examine why this pegasus has risen from the ashes.
The interview with the owner linked in my last post is illuminating.
There is also a new appraisal which encapsulates why the club has been successful (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68806890).
There were almost 20,000 at Fratton Park yesterday and there are ambitious plans to expand the old lady, Fratton Park, to maybe 35,000.