Has 20mph made our roads safer?

[Tuerto]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Yes,it has made our roads safer. How could it not? Generally, people have slowed down, so, the clowns that used to drive around at 35 are now probably doing 30, those that mostly kept to the speed limit are probably knocking around the 25 mark. And then there are quite a lot of people who are playing it by the book, especially on roads that are tight for space, cars parked either side that can be blind for drivers seeing pedestrians. There was always going to be certain roads where 20 was going to be too slow, but can't please everyone. I think that it's been a positive move, and as time goes by and people get used to it, there will be less resistance.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Yes,it has made our roads safer. How could it not? Generally, people have slowed down, so, the clowns that used to drive around at 35 are now probably doing 30, those that mostly kept to the speed limit are probably knocking around the 25 mark. And then there are quite a lot of people who are playing it by the book, especially on roads that are tight for space, cars parked either side that can be blind for drivers seeing pedestrians. There was always going to be certain roads where 20 was going to be too slow, but can't please everyone. I think that it's been a positive move, and as time goes by and people get used to it, there will be less resistance.

The lockdowns made our roads safer too.

[North Cardiff Blue]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

If more people are crashing because they can't cope with checking their speed, those drivers probably shouldn't be on the road in the first place.

If you drive you surely know that is the case, probably 30% of drivers are terrible. When did cars stop waiting for oncoming cars with the right of way, before going around a parked car in the middle of the road leading to head-on situations?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Eric
I hope you and your son stay safe.
Cheers for the discussion.

If that's your only concern we wouldn't have cars.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

everywhere else it has been introduced it has led to a reduction in road deaths, is there any sensible reason that Wales would be different?

I've always said we should wait until it has been in place a year and then evaluate the changes

I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a minute and ask a few questions about these statistics.

The stats show that there's been a 12% drop in serious injuries and deaths on roads of 20 and 30mph. It will be interesting to see the results after a year.

Was there a target for a reduction in these injuries/deaths in those speed limit areas? Are there targets for similar reductions in injuries and deaths in other speed limit areas?

Who decides what is an acceptable reduction? Surely, if the whole point of reducing speed limits is to dramatically reduce these injuries and deaths. 12% doesn't seem a big reduction, so what's next? Who decides that 128 deaths/injuries is not good but 112 is better? Will someone say 112 is too many and that needs reducing further? Is there an acceptable level of deaths/injuries? If there isn't we'll just keep finding more ways to make cars slow down or not be used at all to further reduce these levels. If there is, it then makes a mockery of the whole thing.

Surely those who can only keep advocating that it might save one life of someone you love will accept that reductions in deaths/serious injuries will only ever go so far.

[NYCBlue]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Why are we still talking about this? Isn't it obvious that driving at 20MPH is safer than driving at 30MPH?

[Dembe]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Why are we still talking about this? Isn't it obvious that driving at 20MPH is safer than driving at 30MPH?

Messageboards are a hotbed for discussion threads.

[NYCBlue]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Messageboards are a hotbed for discussion threads.

But this has been going on far too long. And it's mostly just people whining. And the discussion is always political. Enough already.

[Dembe]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

But this has been going on far too long. And it's mostly just people whining. And the discussion is always political. Enough already.

I know :thumbup:

Same kind of thing in work or down the pub/cafe/whatever, people just go over and over the same crap all the time, I get why Tuerto doesn't have no work mates :hehe:

[Tuerto]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

The lockdowns made our roads safer too.

Yeah, good point. Mass suicide would be a good idea. no famine, disease, road accidents.....Kill the patient in order to kill the disease..... You're always one step ahead...

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Yeah, good point. Mass suicide would be a good idea. no famine, disease, road accidents.....Kill the patient in order to kill the disease..... You're always one step ahead...

There's nothing wrong with being risk averse if it's for the greater good :thumbup:

[Jimmy the Jock]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

But this has been going on far too long. And it's mostly just people whining. And the discussion is always political. Enough already.

Move along then .Who are you to tell us what to discuss?
We are discussing a subject that I feel quite strongly about.
I made a comment about Mark Drakeford , it wasn't political , it was an observation.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

Yeah, good point. Mass suicide would be a good idea. no famine, disease, road accidents.....Kill the patient in order to kill the disease..... You're always one step ahead...

We should only be allowed to drive between the hours of midnight and 5.00 am . Rarely an accident between those hours.

[Tuerto]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

There's nothing wrong with being risk averse if it's for the greater good :thumbup:

I completely agree.

[Dembe]

Re: Has 20mph made our roads safer?

We should only be allowed to drive between the hours of midnight and 5.00 am . Rarely an accident between those hours.

Only through pure luck. Some of the lads that I see drive off on 2 hour drives after a shift probably lucky to make it home without falling asleep.